How does my Parrot's nest box look? I made it! There's a picture!

[ShellyBorg]

Thanks to everyone who has re-stated that I am clueless. I had no direction, so for guidance It was why I came here in the first place...

I never saw you ask questions or even comment much on the really good advice you got. The feelings I got was this is what you where going to do what you wanted and damn the advice you got.

We really need good breeders in the future. Take a deep breathe and learn all you can , before you take the jump into the deep end. Start saving money and building flights , before you get the breeders. If you really want i,t then take the advice. Take note,s read all you can. Visit good breeders and see there set ups.

 

[zoloft]

All of this was not needed For me to understand that breeding two different species is dangerous. A simple 'its not a good idea' was enough to get the message across, which it did. Thanks for using so much energy on making me feel like some kind of kid.

 

[zoloft]

I have NO problems with breeders or breeding. Most of our breeders are 70 or older. We need new blood that wants to do it RIGHT. Not what this person is doing.

what the hell is wrong? Did i not thank the previous person on their post that tells me not to? Did I not say above that i won't do it?

 

[ShellyBorg]

All of this was not needed For me to understand that breeding two different species is dangerous. A simple 'its not a good idea' was enough to get the message across, which it did. Thanks for using so much energy on making me feel like some kind of kid.

Go back and read over your posts in both threads. Don't look as your self but read it as a outsider. All we know is what you posted.

 

[zoloft]

All of this was not needed For me to understand that breeding two different species is dangerous. A simple 'its not a good idea' was enough to get the message across, which it did. Thanks for using so much energy on making me feel like some kind of kid.

Go back and read over your posts in both threads. Don't look as your self but read it as a outsider. All we know is what you posted.

Ok. i'm just amazed at how people can jump to conclusions that i was ignoring what they were saying due to my inactivity. i have not had as much time to follow these boards recently...

 

[JerseyWendy]

Please, let's keep this nice and easy AND friendly.

 

[Jtbirds]

Zoloft I believe we're this could have came across differently as you were very persistent in wanting to breed them and posted multiple topics even after the warnings I suppose. So this is precived as not listening to many people on here and it came across as you were just overlooking what everyone said, or this is at least how I would have taken it. I believe this was all a misunderstanding and I believe we all need to start over and fellow at the issue and I guess I will go first.


Don't breed two different species, which you obviously got.

Research a little more before breeding at all, as it is a very touchy process if done right.

This researching should take you quite awhile as there is a lot to learn about breeding more to learn about breeding then anything else IMO so you must take your time.

Make sure you are doing it all right before even starting so pretty much have it in your mind that you've already raised these imaginary chicks before you've raise real ones, if that makes sense

These are just a few points that Adan be generalized and not to tick you off but to just go over them in a more gentle way if you know what I mean?

Kind regards, Justin

Thanks Zoloft.

 

[zoloft]

Zoloft I believe we're this could have came across differently as you were very persistent in wanting to breed them and posted multiple topics even after the warnings I suppose. So this is precived as not listening to many people on here and it came across as you were just overlooking what everyone said, or this is at least how I would have taken it. I believe this was all a misunderstanding and I believe we all need to start over and fellow at the issue and I guess I will go first.


Don't breed two different species, which you obviously got.

Research a little more before breeding at all, as it is a very touchy process if done right.




This researching should take you quite awhile as there is a lot to learn about breeding more to learn about breeding then anything else IMO so you must take your time.

Make sure you are doing it all right before even starting so pretty much have it in your mind that you've already raised these imaginary chicks before you've raise real ones, if that makes sense

These are just a few points that Adan be generalized and not to tick you off but to just go over them in a more gentle way if you know what I mean?

Kind regards, Justin

Thanks Zoloft.

Perfect,
Thanks

 

[MonicaMc]

"unethical to produce hybrids" - by who's standards? The birds, or us humans? Quite frankly, a lot of people *love* hybrids! Macaw hybrids are very popular! Animals? They don't care if they hybridize or not, they don't care if they inbreed or not! Both occur much more frequently in the wild than many people believe. That's not to say that hybrids are running rampant, destroying the pure species, but there are hybrid swarms, the occasional hybrids between two (or three) species, and there are 'ring species' that may hybridize between groups, yet still have the major population as pure species.

If it's viewed as a 'bad thing' to hybridize species, what about subspecies? If it's ok to hybridize subspecies, then it's ok to hybridize a Citron Crested Cockatoo to a Lesser Sulphur Crested Cockatoo... after all, they are the same species! Or a Yellow Nape Amazon to a Yellow Headed Amazon. Same species, different subspecies.

There are two different subspecies of orange wing amazons, and there are four different subspecies of red loreds.

The Yellow Crowned Amazon has four different "Yellow Crown" subspecies (including Panama), three "Yellow Naped" subspecies and four "Yellow Headed" subspecies.


The point is, is that there are a lot of species as well as subspecies out there. Even if you are against hybridizing the different subspecies, there are so many hybrids out there that people are probably unaware that the birds are in fact hybrids. A lot of breeders can't tell the difference between two similar species, let alone subspecies.


One interesting article...
Hybrids and the future of*Aviculture - City Parrots -


Zoloft, I'm not going back on my post (here) and I do agree with what's being said. Do more research, make sure you have the space and time for more birds, as well as the money to care for them. Get in contact with breeders who can give you first hand advice. Make sure you are fully prepared before going into this adventure - as Justin has stated.

If you want hard copy info, you can buy books on aviary care and management, etc. To give you an idea....

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Parrots-Hand-Feeding-Nursery-Management/dp/1895270103/]Parrots: Hand Feeding and Nursery Management: Howard Voren, Rick Jordan: 9781895270105: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Psittaculture-Breeding-Rearing-Management-Parrots/dp/1895270022/]Amazon.com: Psittaculture: Breeding, Rearing and Management of Parrots (9781895270020): Tony Silva: Books[/ame]

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-Incubation-Procedures-Methodical-Aviculturist/dp/0969264070/]Parrot Incubation Procedures: A Methodical Guide to Incubation, Hatching, and Problem Hatches for the Aviculturist: Rick Jordan: 9780969264071: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]


As I mentioned previously, I am not aware of any health problems in hybrid amazons (unlike other hybrids between certain species), so if you are intent on that route, be aware there could be problems, but there are no known problems (to my knowledge).



What we, as aviculturists, need are breeders who know how to tell not only the species apart, but the subspecies, too. We should preserve what we have within captivity, or we may very well lose the various subspecies and species.... hybrids will end up being the future, except for species that don't have subspecies and are easy to tell hybrids apart from pures (i.e. hyacinth hybrids vs pures or moluccan cockatoo hybrids vs pures) I know that green cheek conures and senegals all may/probably have a high rate of hybridization between the subspecies... I'm afraid to think of the possible hybridization between amazon subspecies and cockatoo subspecies...



And, my apologies if my posts may have offended you in any way. I am against hybridization (as a whole), but can honestly go either way, debating for or against them. Hybrids and mutations fascinate me! I like to see what's out there, but I wouldn't personally hybridize.