Lost Kizzy out the Door!

[Ladyhawk]

Losing Kizzy has made me physically ill. My diabetes is out of control again. That causes all kinds of problems on top of losing Kizzy.

I haven't properly grieved yet. I need to, but I'm afraid I'm not physically capable of holding up.

I'm reluctant to start another thread in the bereavement section. Yeah, I feel like a failure and I don't want to make it official.

One more thing: I live in an area where there are only 2 or 3 degrees of separation between everyone. Sometimes I think my mother knows everyone who lives here. If someone in this area has Kizzy, it's next to impossible that he / she doesn't know I've been looking for her.

At this point, I would consider her stolen. Does anyone know if there are laws that apply to this situation? Should I post a deadline? Return her within the week or I consider her stolen? Can I do that? I have no idea.

But if someone in this area has her, they have stolen her. If they didn't know about me, one of their friends definitely would. I had fliers posted in every store that carries pet bird supplies. Many of my friends have told me they had friends who asked if they'd heard about the blue-fronted Amazon that went missing. Again, if someone has her, they must know I want her back. That's tantamount to theft IMO. Plus, an intelligent animal is not chattel, even though I paid for her. She's family. So, in my mind, it's kidnapping as well.

Should I discover the person who stole her, how should I proceed. She may have started molting. I'm not sure I could prove she's mine by feather patterns alone. No microchip. I know the guy who has her parents, but I'm not sure if there is a DNA test. Even if there is, I'm not sure he'd want his birds restrained, especially not during breeding season.

See? I ruminate. It's hard to turn off.

 

[Anansi]

No, I wouldn't put out any deadlines or ultimatums like that. If someone has indeed stolen her, chances are they are doing so fully cognizant of the fact that what they are doing is illegal. They are obviously willing to take the risk. So there's no added benefit. On the other hand, it might make someone who was on the fence about returning your bird nervous to do so for fear of being branded a thief.

Now, if you wound up finding Kizzy and she was in the possession of someone who denied she was yours, that's an entirely different story. But as things stand atm? No, I think that you're better off proceeding as you have been. Better off brandishing the carrot, in this instance, than the stick.

And remember that it's entirely possible that Kizzy could be even a town or two over.

 

[EllenD]

I don't want to bring any false-hope, but I had a friend who lost her cockatiel in the middle of January in Pennsylvania, and that bird survived 2 major blizzards where over a foot of snow was dropped and the temperature dropped below 20 degrees F, and she got him back a little less than a year later, so you never know...

I was looking on Craigslist in your area, and this very suspicious ad, or multiple ads by the same person or bird store came up, and they obviously are selling multiple young and adult Amazons, including Blue Fronts. They look to be bird hoarders or rather "flippers" to me, and they show a few photos of different Blue Fronts...No harm in calling the number and telling them you are interested in getting a Blue Fronted Amazon, and that you want to know what he has, then ask him to send you photos of all of the Blues he has....you just never, ever know, and you can't give up...Here's the link to one of his ads:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pet/d/amazon-orange-wing/6558682015.html

 

[EllenD]

Here's one with a photo in your area, i couldn't tell but it looks a bit like yours and is obviously very young...gotta check everything...And he's calling "him" a "Turquoise Amazon Parrot", so he obviously doesn't know anything about them at all...I can't tell from the photos, but this one does have the same green mask...please someone take a look at this photo and see what you think...she would be almost 4 months older now, i hate to give false hope to anyone, but this one is bothering me, and it was only posted 6 hours ago, and it's local to the OP...

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/d/turquoise-amazon-parrot/6582503631.html

 

[Inger]

Here's one with a photo in your area, i couldn't tell but it looks a bit like yours and is obviously very young...gotta check everything...And he's calling "him" a "Turquoise Amazon Parrot", so he obviously doesn't know anything about them at all...I can't tell from the photos, but this one does have the same green mask...please someone take a look at this photo and see what you think...she would be almost 4 months older now, i hate to give false hope to anyone, but this one is bothering me, and it was only posted 6 hours ago, and it's local to the OP...

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/d/turquoise-amazon-parrot/6582503631.html

I’m texting with this guy right now to learn more about the bird. Let’s see what he has to say.


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[Inger]

She says this bird is 4, she got him about a year ago when his owner moved. She’s rehoming because she’s moving to Florida. Whatever. She sent me video of him singing and dancing. I don’t think it’s Kizzy, but Ladyhawk if you want to see the videos let me know because you would know better than I. She also just offered to FaceTime with me-if you have an iPhone and you FaceTime with them, you’d know for certain.

At the very least, this is a smart and funny Amazon who needs a forever home-obviously heading to at least his third home, poor little love.


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[EllenD]

Here's one with a photo in your area, i couldn't tell but it looks a bit like yours and is obviously very young...gotta check everything...And he's calling "him" a "Turquoise Amazon Parrot", so he obviously doesn't know anything about them at all...I can't tell from the photos, but this one does have the same green mask...please someone take a look at this photo and see what you think...she would be almost 4 months older now, i hate to give false hope to anyone, but this one is bothering me, and it was only posted 6 hours ago, and it's local to the OP...

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/d/turquoise-amazon-parrot/6582503631.html

I’m texting with this guy right now to learn more about the bird. Let’s see what he has to say.


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I appreciate that, I doubt it's kizzy, but they do look similar, and it was obvious to me from this guy's ad that he knows nothing about Amazons or that particular bird that he's selling. He listed no age, he called it a "Turquoise Amazon", and says nothing about it's background, temperament, nothing at all, only that "it's a nice bird". So even if this isn't Kizzy it's not this guy's bird either. It would be a huge coincidence if there were 2 BFA's missing in that same area. This BFA is young, looks exactly the same age as kizzy, and has the same green mask with the same yellow below and above it, only a bit more blue on the forehead, but since kizzy went missing 4 months ago she could have molted a bit. They really do look a lot alike.

 

[EllenD]

Any updates?

 

[Ladyhawk]

Here's one with a photo in your area, i couldn't tell but it looks a bit like yours and is obviously very young...gotta check everything...And he's calling "him" a "Turquoise Amazon Parrot", so he obviously doesn't know anything about them at all...I can't tell from the photos, but this one does have the same green mask...please someone take a look at this photo and see what you think...she would be almost 4 months older now, i hate to give false hope to anyone, but this one is bothering me, and it was only posted 6 hours ago, and it's local to the OP...

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/d/turquoise-amazon-parrot/6582503631.html

Oh no, the link has expired. Did anyone save the picture?

 

[Ladyhawk]

She says this bird is 4, she got him about a year ago when his owner moved. She’s rehoming because she’s moving to Florida. Whatever. She sent me video of him singing and dancing. I don’t think it’s Kizzy, but Ladyhawk if you want to see the videos let me know because you would know better than I. She also just offered to FaceTime with me-if you have an iPhone and you FaceTime with them, you’d know for certain.

At the very least, this is a smart and funny Amazon who needs a forever home-obviously heading to at least his third home, poor little love.


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I've had to stay away from the forum because I've been so distraught. Can you show me the video? Kizzy sings.

 

[Laylatoo]

I actually saved one photo from that Craigslist ad when I saw it posted here.

 

[Laylatoo]

https://sacramento.craigslist.org/pet/d/amazon-parrot/6586144712.html

Another ad is still up

 

[Ladyhawk]

A year ago today, Kizzy flew out the door and I never saw her again. Losing Gabby and Kizzy so close to one another has destroyed my health. I'll never be able to forgive myself. I can't seem to mourn properly. The emotional and physical pain are intense and I don't seem to be getting better. I've had infection after infection of one kind or another. I've been on so many antibiotics I'm afraid to take more and yet the infections persist.

I have an infected tooth. On paper, my insurance should cover treatment, but I can't find anyone who both takes my insurance and has the skill / correct equipment to treat me. On top of that, my other chronic illnesses have become unmanageable. Every time I think I might be getting better, I'm blindsided by yet another illness.

I feel ashamed that I can't get over this. That's why I haven't been here. I'm just checking in this once so you aren't bummed out by my presence.

Hope you're all well. Hope your birdies are safe.

 

[Anansi]

A year ago today, Kizzy flew out the door and I never saw her again. Losing Gabby and Kizzy so close to one another has destroyed my health. I'll never be able to forgive myself. I can't seem to mourn properly. The emotional and physical pain are intense and I don't seem to be getting better. I've had infection after infection of one kind or another. I've been on so many antibiotics I'm afraid to take more and yet the infections persist.

I have an infected tooth. On paper, my insurance should cover treatment, but I can't find anyone who both takes my insurance and has the skill / correct equipment to treat me. On top of that, my other chronic illnesses have become unmanageable. Every time I think I might be getting better, I'm blindsided by yet another illness.

I feel ashamed that I can't get over this. That's why I haven't been here. I'm just checking in this once so you aren't bummed out by my presence.

Hope you're all well. Hope your birdies are safe.

I'm so sorry that you're having so many health complications, Ladyhawk. No need to be ashamed. You've suffered terrible losses. If there is any community that understands your pain it's this one. And we're here for you. I only wish there was more that we could do to help.

I can't believe it's been a year. Sending hugs your way, and keeping sweet Kizzy in my prayers.

 

[ChristaNL]

Ladyhawk - I am so sorry, I wish there was something anyone could do to help you.
Being in crappy shape emotionally and physically is difficult enough even without the losses you suffered.


Silly suggestion maybe , but -> try to get in contact with the dentists that are specialized in treating people with fear-issues/phobia. (Not that you have any I know off, but...) They will know who are the best in the business and will treat you right! (And probably can help you with the insurance-thingy as well, they do it all the time.)

 

[LeaKP]

My heart hurts for you [emoji22]


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[Sunnyclover]

Perhaps get another parrot. You might feel like you don't deserve a bird but you do deserve another chance to have a feathered companion. I think this might go along way to heal you mentally and physically. I know you will do everything you can to love this bird and give it the best life possible and perhaps until you get your health in order keep the birdie clipped just in case!

 

[Tami2]

I am so sorry LadyHawk ....:smile016:

 

[Scott]

Very sorry to know your health issues persist. Bearing the emotional turmoil of Kizzy's absence is without a doubt affecting all else.

There is no shame in your presence, Ladyhawk. You are always welcome here. I wish you physical and spiritual healing in this new year.

 

[EllenD]

I very clearly remember when Kizzy first escaped on the door, and I am so very, very sorry that she has yet to come home...I know that you're going through an awful lot, but out of curiosity, have you been occasionally checking places to see if Kizzy has been brought-in by anyone? Specifically I'd be checking Parrot911.com and Parrotalert.com, and absolutely be going through all of the California Craigslist pet pages for "Found Amazons" (Craigslist-Community-Pets)...It's very likely that by now Kizzy has been found and taken-in by someone, and that someone may very well have posted that they found a bird...You just never know...

****On the flip-side to what I just wrote, I also totally understand not being able to keep looking for her because of the stress and pain that doing this might cause you. I'm just trying to make suggestions for you, but only you can decide what is best for you to do in order to handle the situation...

****As far as your "infected tooth" goes, do you mean you have an "Abscessed Tooth"? Because if you have an Abscessed-Tooth, then all you need to have done is a Root-Canal, which is Dentistry-101 and absolutely any and all Dentists perform Root-Canals. And if they attempt the Root-Canal and the probe tells them that your tooth root is dead, then the only thing you can do is have it pulled, which again any Dentist can easily do...So I'm not understanding why you can't find a Dentist in the area of California you live in that "doesn't have the equipment or skill" to take care of your infected tooth, as again, a Root-Canal is very basic Dentistry, and you live in an area where there are tons of Dentists...The only reason I'm pushing this is because if an Abscessed-Tooth goes untreated and you don't get a Root-Canal done pretty directly, you can end-up with not only a dead tooth that has to be pulled (the longer you let it go the less of a chance the tooth can be saved), but your risk of developing a systemic, Septic infection becomes greater and greater...As well as your risk of Endocarditis...You certainly don't want to end-up becoming that sick and in the hospital due to an Abscessed-Tooth, as that will only make things much worse for you...

I totally understand that you lost your support-system when you lost Kizzy, and I also understand that people without any serious medical issues, both physical and psychological, don't at all understand how much having a close friend or family member as your support system helps your overall-health...Especially when that close friend or family member is a parrot, because unless you've lived with a parrot you just don't get it at all...So I'm sure you've been getting a lot of negativity from others about being so upset about losing Kizzy...

And that's why it's important for you to talk to people who understand exactly what you're going through and more importantly that understand the type of bond you can have with a parrot, and the type of love and support they can give...There is absolutely NOTHING for you to be "ashamed" about, my goodness you lost your best friend in the world, it's no different than losing a human child, and we in this community totally understand that!!! I don't know who has made you feel "ashamed" about this, but they are not the person or people that you need to be talking to right now...It would probably help you a great deal to come here to the forum once a day and to talk about Kizzy; or if you can't talk about Kizzy then just talk about birds, talk about whatever you want to talk about, but just talk...Isolating yourself and keeping everything bottled-up inside is only making your overall-health worse and worse...We all know very well that out physical health is directly effected by our psychological and mental health, so it's no wonder you're immune system isn't functioning properly! Again, this is nothing at all to be ashamed of, it's something that is completely normal and that thousands and thousands of people go through every single day, all over the world! So whether you realize it or not, what you're going through and the way that you've been feeling since you lost Kizzy is totally normal, and there are many, many people who can relate to exactly what you're feeling and thinking...And THOSE are the kind of people you need to be talking to, so that you get some positive-support, instead of only getting negative-criticism and judgement.

I'm telling you the truth, 100% the truth when I say that I've thought about you several times since this time last year...Whenever anyone has posted about losing their bird I have thought about you. Whenever someone has posted about finding a bird, I've thought about you. I have wondered how you were doing, whether or not you might have found Kizzy, or whether you might have brought a new bird into your life. And I guarantee that I'm not the only person here in this community that has often thought about you and wondered how you were doing and where you were....And I wouldn't say that to you if it wasn't the truth...

So I hope that you'll think about coming back and being an active member of this community once again, if for no other reason than to start opening yourself up a little bit and so that you'll gain a support-system in your life...Even if it's just with people who you don't really know in an internet parrot-community, it's still a support-system, and it's a support-system that totally understands what you're going through and WHY you're going through it, which makes it a very important support system for you, the kind that you need right now...Any time you need to talk or you just want to vent, please do not ever hesitate to PM me, because I'm always here to be a sounding-board for you if nothing else...And I'm sure there are plenty of other members here who feel the same way...