Psittacus

[Flboy]

I must add, I am NOT a TOPS zealot! My JoJo also gets, three different Zupreem and Roudybush! Along with sprouted seed mixes! That was why there was initially interest in this new line coming into the states! I was turned off by the answer I was given!

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

I have been feeding Psittacus now for a couple months. I was also very disturbed when I heard they saw what happened with the Crimson babies. I know the Distributor did offer to do in necropsy at their expense which was refused.
My babies look amazing on it! I did start questioning it I will not lie once I heard about the prolapse rectums. This food what makes it so unique is it is species specific but with that being said you do have to see the correct formulas. Pyhurra get Frugivorous there are charts that must be followed precisely. Also, for folks that do day one you know must thin formula in beginning. I have had one chick does out of 80+ day ones and that was a baby that had a hard hatch and I assisted. I have a brown throat that is not thriving as well but again that was my fault I overstretched the crop.
I am currently feeding a dozen ringnecks, suns and crimson so far still fine on crop milk. I will gladly share any information I have if someone cares to know or see photos! The babies are very robust the feathering is absolutely impeccable!
Also my store I sell to Birds of Pet Paradise is now strictly feeding the formula as well. She has told me that there is an amazing difference in feathering in size! She didn’t do a test andPut birds back on KAytee and the store handfeeders notice a difference and requested the babies back on Psittacus. This is a high-end feed and if not followed. Letti is very helpful with any questions and always makes her self readily available . If there of been other incidents with this food or formula I would like to hear it for the people I know are not having problems and I did check after the one incident. I did have another incident where babies some of them were chugging on each other frantically but again that was human error moving them down on feedings for weaning.

Thanks for stopping by and posting. Being in business, it is ever so difficult when one person comes along to post negative comments about a product (or even a person) based on third-hand knowledge and relating to ONE situation. Let's remember Kaytee back in the day with their formula. What a situation, right? These comments can be so unfair and create hysteria - much like what we are being faced with today on the news. You don't know what to believe!

That being said, I had dinner in Florida with the owners and their US representative PRIOR to carrying this food. They had contacted me several months prior, but I needed answers before I would "bite." I actually tasted each one of the pellets. They taste amazing. These people are PASSIONATE about this line of food. I asked them tons of questions and they had answers that were quite pleasing to me. Their US Representative is a doll and she is trying to be approved to come here and answer these questions but, for whatever reason, has not received the approval

I'll address the ingredients with the other posts. Thanks again, be safe and have a nice holiday. Good times are ahead of us! - Kathie

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

I must add, I am NOT a TOPS zealot! My JoJo also gets, three different Zupreem and Roudybush! Along with sprouted seed mixes! That was why there was initially interest in this new line coming into the states! I was turned off by the answer I was given!

I love TOPS! Great pellet. I love that it is cold-pressed rather than heated to high temps (extruded) like most pellets. That's another question I asked the folks a Psittacus. Their process is two-step so not totally extruded. That impressed me! So the pellet is extruded and then all of the natural vitamins are added afterward. I sure wish their rep could come here and respond, as she has all the answers at her fingertips.

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

I would have to agree with you, David. That's not an ingredients list, that's reads like someone giving me a 30,000ft summary of the contents as they are reading, "Some cereal grains, some byproducts, some oils, some legumes"

What cereal grains? What byproducts? What Legumes?

I'm also highly suspicious, generally speaking, of these lines like Harrisons and Psittacus, with specific formulations such as "High Protein", "High Mainentance", "High potency","Mainentance"....

When you get into such specialized formulae, it almost comes to a point you need a prescription from a vet to actually know what you should be feeding. High energy food or High Protein food are clearly specialist feeding systems that are designed for very specific purposes, and shouldn't be fed to just any bird. Yet people grab the wrong formulation for them daily.

I asked all these questions and received bona fide answers before I bought this product. Remember, this company originated in Europe and their requirements and manner of speaking are different. So "cereal grains" does not mean Trix or Cocoa Puffs (of course). It means grains - no different than what other pellets use.

So you're looking at a pellet's ingredients. Which appears more appealing?

1. Ground corn, Soybean meal, Ground wheat, Wheat germ meal, Sugar, Vegetable oil

2. Cereal grains, products and by-products of oil seeds and fruits, vegetable oils, legume seeds, fructose, dried whole egg, minerals, dried brewer's yeast

Not saying one is better than the other, but which kinda seems more nutritious?

 

[Malewicka]

I agree, there is a good Facebook group by a USA representative who answered all my questions.

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[MySafeBirdStore]

I agree, there is a good Facebook group by a USA representative who answered all my questions.

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Yes! Duh! I didn't think of that. She is ever so knowledgable and truly a sweetheart (the US rep) as is the owner. I just PM'd the US rep and she is trying, once again, to open an account. She is ready, willing and more than happy and able to answer all the questions and concerns.

 

[Psittacus]

Hello All,

I just joined the forum to be able to help with any questions someone would have about the brand, products, ingredients,....

Don't hesitate to contact me or ask questions, if i can help i am glad to do so, this is why i am here.

I see that many people are talking about the listed ingredients on the website, those ingredients are a brief summary of what is used in the products. Each and every bag has its own label with the full ingredients list mentioned following the US regulations.

Our products are really specie specific, what people is not used to have in the US, the brand is used worldwide since many years, already represented also since a few years in Mexico, the US was one of the last countries where they didn't sold the products yet, this is why we are here.

I hope i can help, any doubts let me know !
Letty

 

[Psittacus]

Hi,

Those formulas have been designed to be specie specific.

What a macaw would eat in the wild is far from the same as what a Cockatoo would consume in the Australian Plains for example. This is why we have one High Energy and one High Protein diet. So breeders and keepers can more easily tune the nutritional needs of their birds.

No vet prescription is needed as those products are not medication, just having the knowledge of what bird species consume is very important for their daily diet. If someone grab the wrong diet, it will never hurt a bird, just getting more fat or proteins than needed.

I hope this help you out regarding your doubts about the product specie specific range.

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

Letty, when answering the various questions, hit the QUOTE BUTTON at the bottom right of the post so that the members will know to what post you are responding Thanks for jumping on here and show your transparency with this product!

Hi,

Those formulas have been designed to be specie specific.

What a macaw would eat in the wild is far from the same as what a Cockatoo would consume in the Australian Plains for example. This is why we have one High Energy and one High Protein diet. So breeders and keepers can more easily tune the nutritional needs of their birds.

No vet prescription is needed as those products are not medication, just having the knowledge of what bird species consume is very important for their daily diet. If someone grab the wrong diet, it will never hurt a bird, just getting more fat or proteins than needed.

I hope this help you out regarding your doubts about the product specie specific range.

 

[chris-md]

Not saying one is better than the other, but which kinda seems more nutritious?

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

 

[Psittacus]

Thank you Kathie, i am new at this on Forums, any help is appreciated to know how to answer different questions. Thank you as always

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

Chris, I have lived with birds for over 40 years. I have two eclectus. Just curious... what pellet do you currently use? Additionally, can you share your current diet? (Please know I am not debating you at all. Just curious, as some of the "experts" out there fill the internet with things that are not quite true... ) Sadly, eclectus have a "stigma" that goes along with their species. Not sure why. They are not much different than any other bird....

Not saying one is better than the other, but which kinda seems more nutritious?

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

 

[charmedbyekkie]

Chris, I have lived with birds for over 40 years. I have two eclectus. Just curious... what pellet do you currently use? Additionally, can you share your current diet? (Please know I am not debating you at all. Just curious, as some of the "experts" out there fill the internet with things that are not quite true... ) Sadly, eclectus have a "stigma" that goes along with their species. Not sure why. They are not much different than any other bird....

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

I'm sure the mods will step in, but this almost feels like this should be its own post, rather than hijacking Chadwick's thread. Perhaps if you genuinely are interested in eclectus's dietary needs, you can check out the plethora of posts in the "Eclectus" forum and the "Parrot Food, Recipes and Diet" forum. Chris and many other ekkie owners have discussed this at length with much documentation linking to experts and vets.

 

[Flboy]

Not saying one is better than the other, but which kinda seems more nutritious?

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

I was going to say the same thing! List one tells me to run! List two is a red flag and gives the appearance of deliberate ambiguity!
Letty, thank you so much and please don’t take this as a personal or product attack!

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

Chris, I have lived with birds for over 40 years. I have two eclectus. Just curious... what pellet do you currently use? Additionally, can you share your current diet? (Please know I am not debating you at all. Just curious, as some of the "experts" out there fill the internet with things that are not quite true... ) Sadly, eclectus have a "stigma" that goes along with their species. Not sure why. They are not much different than any other bird....

I'm sure the mods will step in, but this almost feels like this should be its own post, rather than hijacking Chadwick's thread. Perhaps if you genuinely are interested in eclectus's dietary needs, you can check out the plethora of posts in the "Eclectus" forum and the "Parrot Food, Recipes and Diet" forum. Chris and many other ekkie owners have discussed this at length with much documentation linking to experts and vets.

??? I'm sorry, but a comment was made regarding food. I view everything from an educational nature. I am not here to fight or debate. Good grief. You know what? There is still so much to be learned about birds. I am just interested in what Chadwick feels. Merely because what I feel is different from his or hers, doesn't mean either is correct. It is a learning experience and a discussion; nothing more; nothing less.

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

I was going to say the same thing! List one tells me to run! List two is a red flag and gives the appearance of deliberate ambiguity!
Letty, thank you so much and please don’t take this as a personal or product attack!

Sorry, but it was me who posted those two ingredients. Nobody here (other than one person) mentions their pellet of choice. One is from the LEADING avian pellet on the market...

 

[Flboy]

Sorry, but it was me who posted those two ingredients. Nobody here (other than one person) mentions their pellet of choice. One is from the LEADING avian pellet on the market...

I agree with you on that one! There are many of us that are not fans of that product! That is why we seek out feedback from other owners. Not ‘experts’! Your words!
By the way, there are many of us on here that highly recommend your store and methods! No need for such a defensive posture! You really are amongst friends!

 

[Psittacus]

Chris, I have lived with birds for over 40 years. I have two eclectus. Just curious... what pellet do you currently use? Additionally, can you share your current diet? (Please know I am not debating you at all. Just curious, as some of the "experts" out there fill the internet with things that are not quite true... ) Sadly, eclectus have a "stigma" that goes along with their species. Not sure why. They are not much different than any other bird....

An honest answer: As an eclectus owner, the eclectus diet being what it is, I HAVE to be discerning about the ingredients. I can’t work with “kinda”. but in theory everyone should be as discerning of their food regardless of species. We need to know what’s in there.

Hold a gun to my head, I would pass on both of them. One lists garbage ingredients, the other doesn’t tell me at all what is in there - in addition to being heavily supplemented.

Eclectus are birds that has a very strict diet. There is NO miracle pellet for them as usually they should not eat seeds or pellets. However the OMEGA diet is approved to make a part of their diet in a low percentage in their daily ration, together with lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

 

[chris-md]

I’ll certainly not claim expertise here, just another internet voice.

I don’t disagree the stigma is somewhat misplaced. But I think it takes someone with a touch of experience to see past the peculiarities to see just how similar they are to other parrots. Like how the so-called “eclectus diet” is actually a good diet for any bird.

Contemplating your question, I think I’ve finally found my complete answer to your question, which I’ve never quite been able to distill before.

The major obstacles in the Ekkie diet are sugar, dyes, supplementation, and to a lesser extend fat. I feed in accordance with these guidelines: eliminate supplementation and dyes, minimize sugar, and keep an eye on fat But done obsess over it.

His diet is basically vegetables and grains, with occasionally fruit thrown in.

In that vein, I’m not as full on anti-pellet Ekkie owner you often see others - though I will present as such to new posters here since they lack the sophistication in the early stages to discern good from bad - just keep it to fresh. I will feed TOPs or Goldenfeast Goldn’obles on occasion, since they have neither supplements nor dyes. I do also feed a dry mix such as the assorted Goldenfeast freeze dried veggie mixes or Volkmans eclectus.

Parker’s breakfast is often this dry stuff. When we are home as with this quarantine, it’s dry stuff for breakfast and fresh is always available throughout the day- we may throw a bunch of sprouts in his bowl, or celery, or Swiss chard stalk, or a kiwi, pomegranate, apple. Something fresh and sometimes something he can shred into (apples, kiwis, honey mangoes, to name a few = foraging)

Dinner is frozen chop.

Additionally, driven by Parker, we also subscribe to Hungry Harvest, one of those imperfect produce type services where you get farm fresh produce for lower prices compared to a grocery store. This service feeds into the “fresh available through the day” method, or even replaces chop for a night if we’re feeling up to additional prep work, and often offers unique food items that Parker and I otherwise don’t have access to.

 

[MySafeBirdStore]

Sorry, but it was me who posted those two ingredients. Nobody here (other than one person) mentions their pellet of choice. One is from the LEADING avian pellet on the market...

I agree with you on that one! There are many of us that are not fans of that product! That is why we seek out feedback from other owners. Not ‘experts’! Your words!
By the way, there are many of us on here that highly recommend your store and methods! No need for such a defensive posture! You really are amongst friends!

Oh gosh. I am not being defensive. I have a thirst for education and like to know where everyone's head is. I apologize if I can across that way