COVID-19 Virus

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

As for the case in California that is community based, with no known travel or contact with a known infected person.

This person was in one hospital, when critical ventilation was required they were transferred to UC Davis, who then had to repeatedly request a Coronavirus test from CDC. Once positive , as this was not being announced to public, sources who knew if this started releasing to press , including a Twitter feed. This forcing this to be announced to public. This person will also probably be our first death

60% of new cases in Europe are travelers from Italy.
Italy announced today they will only test people with symptoms now, ( which can take two weeks to show up) They feel they are testing a lot of people and that's why they have cases,
while other places aren't testing much , like USA who had only tested 445 people....

This is concerning, that a country in the midst of an outbreak, that is exporting many cases to other countries.. is going to limit testing to follow US lead of only testing those with pneumonia or symptom's. Plausible deniability.

That strategy, greatly reducing containments.

 

[ctwo]

Re: Wuhan virus

There is a risk to our pets, as this jumps from animals to humans, and back again... They are even worried about insects.

Who are they? I would just like to read from sources and expand my own research. I have not read of these risks anywhere, but I understand why there should be concern.

Dr. Niels Pedersen, a distinguished emeritus professor at the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine and a renowned expert on infectious and immunologic diseases in dogs and cats, addresses the question, "Can pets contract coronavirus from humans or vice versa?"

The simple answer is as follows: No, you won’t get or give the coronavirus to your family pet.

(1)

But that is not to say coronavirus are not present in avian species.

The number of avian species in which coronaviruses have been detected has doubled in the past couple of years. While the coronaviruses in these species have all been in coronavirus Group 3, as for the better known coronaviruses of the domestic fowl (infectious bronchitis virus [IBV], in Gallus gallus), turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) and pheasant (Phasianus colchicus), there is experimental evidence to suggest that birds are not limited to infection with Group 3 coronaviruses.

(2)

That is an older article from 2005. Newer studies are still investigating, but not in the context of human-animal-human transmissions.

Avian coronavirus has a wide range of hosts, from chickens and turkeys to wild birds. This virus causes an economically and, possibly, environmentally, important loss in the poultry industry. Therefore, research into the avian coronavirus in various species of birds is required. The Eclectus parrot (Eclectus roratus) is an endemic bird to Indonesia and Northern Australia and often kept as pets. At present, there has been limited information about avian coronavirus infection among birds. This study aimed to determine the presence of and to characterize avian coronavirus isolated from Eclectus parrots in Indonesia.

(3)

The study finds and characterizes several strains of coronavirus in parrots, but it does not determine that they cause actual disease, and the category of those strains are not shown to be infectious to humans.

Infectious bronchitis virus (IBV) produces a respiratory infection in chickens. Human infections involving other viruses of chickens have been reported, but human infection with IBV has not been observed.

(4)

(1)https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/can-pets-contract-coronavirus-humans-or-vice-versa
(2)https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16537157
(3) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6925039/
(4)https://watermark.silverchair.com/8...zn3KbW1kWr5lTxrI9KfIxIs-nlIPBk2LODmThFtQgtWWU

 

[clark_conure]

Re: Wuhan virus

I was gonna say the definition of a coronovirus is it jumps species....that's why it's not the wuhan flu. That's not an exact definition but it is a species jumper.

 

[ctwo]

Re: Wuhan virus

This is concerning, that a country in the midst of an outbreak, that is exporting many cases to other countries.. is going to limit testing to follow US lead of only testing those with pneumonia or symptom's. Plausible deniability.

That strategy, greatly reducing containments.

I just think they've given up on containment as that will not be possible. I can see the preparations for a true pandemic being implemented now. San Francisco has declared a state of emergency and Dr. Anne Schuchat, a top official of the Centers for Disease Control, urges hospitals to "open up your pandemic plans and see that things are in order”

 

[clark_conure]

Re: Wuhan virus

If it comes near here I'm just going to hunker down, eat my 100+ days of food and water, and keep my parrots safe till it blows over.

 

[ctwo]

Re: Wuhan virus

I was gonna say the definition of a coronovirus is it jumps species....that's why it's not the wuhan flu. That's not an exact definition but it is a species jumper.

But you are talking about a large family of viruses and the jump requires a genetic mutation, so it's not like a single strain infects both species at once.

 

[bug_n_flock]

Re: Wuhan virus

We are close to shutting down. Weather keeps getting in the way of our final prep. The road is pretty well unpassable right now, between the lots of rain yesterday, the snow last nigjt, and the rain again today. Siggggghhhhh. Even had to reschedule the farrier for when it is a bit dryer. We only need a few thousand dollars of more supplies. Animal feed mostly, and a new cage for Freedom. We have discovered her with a prison spoon, chiseling her way out of her current cage(popped a couple welds in the corner) Hahaha little punk. So thats another 1,300 to spend on like 300 lbs of metal. But mostly we NEED animal feed and the Freedom cage, the rest is all wants(like bulk spices).

 

[texsize]

Re: Wuhan virus

I would say that any chance of containment went out the window when it was discovered that it could be transmitted by someone who had no symptoms of illness.

As for being re-infected...
My understanding of any virus be it a cold, flue, or covid19.
If you catch it once and fight it off you have antibodies for life for that particular virus.
BUT that does not mean you cant "pick up" the same virus again, you just wont get SICK from it.

I am not a Dr but my mother was a nurse and I learned a lot from her,
Even though I lost her this year I can hear her in my head telling me "The right thing to do".

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

Sorry for your losd Texsize.

So in Italy doctors are saying this coronavirus is severe. I don't know if their outbreak is a slightly mutated strain...or if now we are seeing the true impacts the virus can have.

58 new cases today and 2 new deaths in Italy. Among the 472 active cases, 159 (34%) are hospitalized and 37 (8%) are in intensive care. [source]

On Coronavirus jumping to parrots/ birds.. there are so few studies done in parrots....on anything...many pet perrots aren't even taken to an avain vet when sick.....
I posted bear the start of this thread that influenza viruses can be passed to birds, especially influenza A viruses. And cited sources. But Coronavirus is a little different.

Thanks Ctwo, great info great sources!

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

This seems to caution that other nations need to act swiftly, or the outcome will be ??

WHO Bruce Aylward
cases outside of China (where the outbreak is still in its initial stages), it is critical to analyze the two trends separately.
The questions we must address now are:
1) What factors determined the decline in China (and, most importantly, the limited spread of the virus outside of Hubei)?
2) Are these same factors (which seem to include very firm and quick actions being implemented at an unprecedented scale) present outside of China? If not, the outcome might turn out to be quite different, unless another course of action is undertaken immediately.
In depth analysis, reviewing the findings from WHO’s Bruce Aylward report after spending two weeks in China, to be published

 

[SailBoat]

Re: Wuhan virus

Just under the surface is the point that this Virus is very likely not a natural variation of the root Virus. The continual stretching of a release date for testing and than manufacturing of a comprehensive 'shot' for the masses should be of a deeper concern...

The question has been asked here multiple times as to whether this Virus can jump species and whether Birds could obtain it from Humans. From what I have seen and also reported here this very unusual Virus has a protein segment that appears to be 'chilling' to our researchers!

- This Virus infection has a very odd starting point as the China Researcher who first identified it, found it in a tiny cluster of Humans, something like 4 to 6 individuals. Those individuals then carried it to the Wet Market. At the Wet Market, another group brought infected animals (Bats) from the near by Bio Chemical Facility. From the Wet Market it exploded into all corners of Wuhan.

- This 'implies' that this specific Virus in likely Human to Animal to Human transferred. Likely because of its 'design,' it can spread rapidly and with easy Human to Human. How quickly it can or does spread Animal to Human or Human to Animal is primarily conjecture at this point. Whether it can be spread Human to Bird or Bird to Human is unknown at this point, let alone whether insects could carry it...

- Understanding that North America was only able to see /study this Virus when samples from those Americans and Canadians that had returned to North America and blood samples where taken. That's weeks behind normal sample process from China for next year's flu strains.

- The reality is, this Virus is Far Different from its natural root form. Different enough that nothing North America Researchers have can be used to form a defense against it. That defense is all new practices and technologies.

- It will be months before the 'what is this,' 'where did this come from' and what is its ability to transfer to other creatures begins to be reported on...

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

I think our pet dogs are more at risk.

Dog in Hong Kong tests positive for virus

Officials from Hong Kong's Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department said a pet dog has tested positive for coronavirus.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...s-1st-case-community-spread/story?id=69251035

 

[Scott]

Re: Wuhan virus

One has to realize that the Chinese already have compromised respiratory systems with over 4500 people dying daily from air pollution. Whatever the numbers really are there it should be much better here. He said he may have to restrict travel from other countries like he did with China. The president was trying to act calm and leave it up to the medical professionals to be more concerned...as it should be I think.

It was comical in a way to hear him being astonished at the actual number of flu deaths in the US, 25k to 69k per year with 360k over the last decade.

We'll soon know the nexus between compromised respiratory systems and NCOVID-19. Intense smog throughout major Chinese cities coupled with a penchant for smoking may be precursor for abysmal recovery rates.

As for the "flu," folks ought be reminded it is actually Influenza, a scourge of humanity for millennia. In the U.S, motor vehicle fatalities this decade range from the low to mid thirty thousand each year! Drip, drip, drip, we've become immune to the shock factory.

Pop quiz for the day: What animal causes the most human fatalities each year??

 

[bill_e]

Re: Wuhan virus

Mosquitos, snakes and then dogs.

 

[Scott]

Re: Wuhan virus

Mosquitos, snakes and then dogs.

Bingo! I know mosquitos are #1.

 

[ctwo]

Re: Wuhan virus

2,858 Coronavirus deaths this year
76,915 Seasonal flu deaths this year
213,765 Road traffic accident fatalities this year

https://www.worldometers.info/

 

[texsize]

Re: Wuhan virus

Mosquitos, snakes and then dogs.

Bingo! I know mosquitos are #1.

I thought it was hippos.

Bison in Yellowstone.

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

2,858 Coronavirus deaths this year
76,915 Seasonal flu deaths this year
213,765 Road traffic accident fatalities this year

https://www.worldometers.info/

So based on the above seasonal flu deaths, and the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a 2% fatality, 20 times that of the flu, we could be looking at
1,538,300 deaths!!!! Plan for the worst, hope for the best!!

This new virus is now called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2).
It's not in the influenza virus family..

SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is a new virus so no humans have immunity.

SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is highly contagious, more so than influenza by at least a factor of 2. That should be eye-opening, when you compare it the influenza numbers. It is considered more contagious then the 1918 influenza pandemic. This coronavirus also has a higher mortality rate than 1918 influenza.

SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Also puts 20% in the hospital with pneumoia. Partly because of the viruses affinity for the cilia structures in the lung. It uses those cells to reproduce destroying those cells in that process. Filling the lungs with cellular debris. Decreasing the lungs ability to process oxygen. Leaving holes in the lungs, in what maybe permanent damage. Then comes the body's immune response to the invader. This happens at about day 9 after you first have just mild symptoms. This immune response from the body can be massive in some people causing more damage to the lungs, then liver and kidneys. As the body says we must kill this new threat and anything related to the threat collateral damage be d******... ( Will cite source)
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/.../02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body

Because of the long disease process to final outcome. And the fact that early disease is mild , before the weeks later development of severe ( if) it's still to early to tell what current infection outcomes will be. If the current outcome if 2-4% fatality holds. That is 20% to 40% more fatal than seasonal influenza. So when we think of seasonal influenza and compare it to SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2), we should really be concerned!

For those 70 and older the mortality rate can be as high as 20% , 200% higher than seasonal influenza. Due to ageing bodies, and imuune soldiers who have training in fighting infections. So the overwhelming immune response. Some disease effect younger people worse than adults due to the disese and lack of untrained immune soldiers. If this instead was causing a 20% fatality in children who were infected, would you feel differently ????

This explains the massive health response by government's around the world, who are racing to identify and contain the infection.

 

[Flboy]

Re: Wuhan virus

2,858 Coronavirus deaths this year
76,915 Seasonal flu deaths this year
213,765 Road traffic accident fatalities this year

https://www.worldometers.info/

True, but!
Misleading stats! If this was the first year we had automobiles and we looked at their risk factors, what happens if in 10 months, we now have 100 million cars on the road?

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

Mosquitos, snakes and then dogs.

Bingo! I know mosquitos are #1.

I thought it was hippos.

Bison in Yellowstone.

Funny
But
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5319273/