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Regarding the dog,
Dogs lick everything, including their owner's face. It seems analogous to an infected doorknob, that has legs and runs around.
Regarding the dog,
https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202002/28/P2020022800013.htm
Dogs lick everything, including their owner's face. It seems analogous to an infected doorknob, that has legs and runs around.
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Re: Wuhan virus
The thing is the covid-19 JUST STARTED, it could dwarf seasonal flu in a short a time as say the next month as the infected and expiring is rising exponentially....
The thing is the covid-19 JUST STARTED, it could dwarf seasonal flu in a short a time as say the next month as the infected and expiring is rising exponentially....
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Quote: Originally Posted by ctwo View Post
2,858 Coronavirus deaths this year
76,915 Seasonal flu deaths this year
213,765 Road traffic accident fatalities this year
https://www.worldometers.info/
So based on the above seasonal flu deaths, and the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a 2% fatality, 20 times that of the flu, we could be looking at
1,538,300 deaths!!!! Plan for the worst, hope for the best!!
This new virus is now called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2).
It's not in the influenza virus family..
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is a new virus so no humans have immunity.
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is highly contagious, more so than influenza by at least a factor of 2. That should be eye-opening, when you compare it the influenza numbers. It is considered more contagious then the 1918 influenza pandemic. This coronavirus also has a higher mortality rate than 1918 influenza.
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Also puts 20% in the hospital with pneumoia. Partly because of the viruses affinity for the cilia structures in the lung. It uses those cells to reproduce destroying those cells in that process. Filling the lungs with cellular debris. Decreasing the lungs ability to process oxygen. Leaving holes in the lungs, in what maybe permanent damage. Then comes the body's immune response to the invader. This happens at about day 9 after you first have just mild symptoms. This immune response from the body can be massive in some people causing more damage to the lungs, then liver and kidneys. As the body says we must kill this new threat and anything related to the threat collateral damage be d******... ( Will cite source)
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/d...es-to-the-body
Because of the long disease process to final outcome. And the fact that early disease is mild , before the weeks later development of severe ( if) it's still to early to tell what current infection outcomes will be. If the current outcome if 2-4% fatality holds. That is 20% to 40% more fatal than seasonal influenza. So when we think of seasonal influenza and compare it to SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2), we should really be concerned!
For those 70 and older the mortality rate can be as high as 20% , 200% higher than seasonal influenza. Due to ageing bodies, and imuune soldiers who have training in fighting infections. So the overwhelming immune response. Some disease effect younger people worse than adults due to the disese and lack of untrained immune soldiers. If this instead was causing a 20% fatality in children who were infected, would you feel differently ????
This explains the massive health response by government's around the world, who are racing to identify and contain the infection.
Because So based on the above seasonal flu deaths, and the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a 2% fatality, 20 times that of the flu, we could be looking at
1,538,300 deaths in a years time is pretty bad, and if you factor in 2× more contagious than the numbers at worst case could be 3,076, 600 deaths in a year. I'm certainly hoping that worst case doesn't happen!!!
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Quote: Originally Posted by ctwo View Post
2,858 Coronavirus deaths this year
76,915 Seasonal flu deaths this year
213,765 Road traffic accident fatalities this year
https://www.worldometers.info/
So based on the above seasonal flu deaths, and the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a 2% fatality, 20 times that of the flu, we could be looking at
1,538,300 deaths!!!! Plan for the worst, hope for the best!!
This new virus is now called SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2).
It's not in the influenza virus family..
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is a new virus so no humans have immunity.
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Is highly contagious, more so than influenza by at least a factor of 2. That should be eye-opening, when you compare it the influenza numbers. It is considered more contagious then the 1918 influenza pandemic. This coronavirus also has a higher mortality rate than 1918 influenza.
SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Also puts 20% in the hospital with pneumoia. Partly because of the viruses affinity for the cilia structures in the lung. It uses those cells to reproduce destroying those cells in that process. Filling the lungs with cellular debris. Decreasing the lungs ability to process oxygen. Leaving holes in the lungs, in what maybe permanent damage. Then comes the body's immune response to the invader. This happens at about day 9 after you first have just mild symptoms. This immune response from the body can be massive in some people causing more damage to the lungs, then liver and kidneys. As the body says we must kill this new threat and anything related to the threat collateral damage be d******... ( Will cite source)
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/d...es-to-the-body
Because of the long disease process to final outcome. And the fact that early disease is mild , before the weeks later development of severe ( if) it's still to early to tell what current infection outcomes will be. If the current outcome if 2-4% fatality holds. That is 20% to 40% more fatal than seasonal influenza. So when we think of seasonal influenza and compare it to SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2), we should really be concerned!
For those 70 and older the mortality rate can be as high as 20% , 200% higher than seasonal influenza. Due to ageing bodies, and imuune soldiers who have training in fighting infections. So the overwhelming immune response. Some disease effect younger people worse than adults due to the disese and lack of untrained immune soldiers. If this instead was causing a 20% fatality in children who were infected, would you feel differently ????
This explains the massive health response by government's around the world, who are racing to identify and contain the infection.
Because So based on the above seasonal flu deaths, and the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has a 2% fatality, 20 times that of the flu, we could be looking at
1,538,300 deaths in a years time is pretty bad, and if you factor in 2× more contagious than the numbers at worst case could be 3,076, 600 deaths in a year. I'm certainly hoping that worst case doesn't happen!!!
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Nobody has time to be testing dogs , and doing studies in dogs as this point!
But the potential is there.
Review of bacterial and viral zoonotic infections transmitted by dogs
I Ghasemzadeh and SH Namazi
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Abstract
Dogs are a major reservoir for zoonotic infections. Dogs transmit several viral and bacterial diseases to humans. Zoonotic diseases can be transmitted to human by infected saliva, aerosols, contaminated urine or feces and direct contact with the dog. Viral infections such as rabies and norovirus and bacterial infections including Pasteurella, Salmonella, Brucella, Yersinia enterocolitica, Campylobacter, Capnocytophaga, Bordetella bronchiseptica, Coxiella burnetii, Leptospira, Staphylococcus intermedius and Methicillin resistance staphylococcus aureus are the most common viral and bacterial zoonotic infections transmitted to humans by dogs. This review, focused on the mentioned infectious diseases by describing general information, signs and symptoms, transmission ways, prevention and treatment of the infection. As far as the infections are concerned, the increase of the knowledge and the awareness of dog owners and the general population regarding zoonotic infections could significantly mitigate zoonoses transmission and consequently their fatal complications.
Keywords: bacterial and zoonotic infections, viral infections, dogs, rabies, noroviruses
Nobody has time to be testing dogs , and doing studies in dogs as this point!
But the potential is there.
Review of bacterial and viral zoonotic infections transmitted by dogs
I Ghasemzadeh and SH Namazi
Additional article information
Abstract
Dogs are a major reservoir for zoonotic infections. Dogs transmit several viral and bacterial diseases to humans. Zoonotic diseases can be transmitted to human by infected saliva, aerosols, contaminated urine or feces and direct contact with the dog. Viral infections such as rabies and norovirus and bacterial infections including Pasteurella, Salmonella, Brucella, Yersinia enterocolitica, Campylobacter, Capnocytophaga, Bordetella bronchiseptica, Coxiella burnetii, Leptospira, Staphylococcus intermedius and Methicillin resistance staphylococcus aureus are the most common viral and bacterial zoonotic infections transmitted to humans by dogs. This review, focused on the mentioned infectious diseases by describing general information, signs and symptoms, transmission ways, prevention and treatment of the infection. As far as the infections are concerned, the increase of the knowledge and the awareness of dog owners and the general population regarding zoonotic infections could significantly mitigate zoonoses transmission and consequently their fatal complications.
Keywords: bacterial and zoonotic infections, viral infections, dogs, rabies, noroviruses
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I posted earlier that in Italy they were seeing worse cases and more hospitalized. And that a doctor there said it was very severe and very contagious. Well they do have a slightly different strain.... Tho it is not mentioned to be worse.... But if it is....oh man because Italian travelers have spread it to 24 new countries.....
The claim follows laboratory tests that isolated a strain of the virus from an Italian patient, which showed genetic differences compared with the original strain isolated in China and two Chinese tourists who became sick in Rome.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...errer=https://www.google.com&_tf=From %1$s
I posted earlier that in Italy they were seeing worse cases and more hospitalized. And that a doctor there said it was very severe and very contagious. Well they do have a slightly different strain.... Tho it is not mentioned to be worse.... But if it is....oh man because Italian travelers have spread it to 24 new countries.....
The claim follows laboratory tests that isolated a strain of the virus from an Italian patient, which showed genetic differences compared with the original strain isolated in China and two Chinese tourists who became sick in Rome.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...errer=https://www.google.com&_tf=From %1$s
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2nd case of community spread in California...Brace yourselves...Also-- it enrages me how MANY Americans (I am one) feel like they don't need to wear masks or do anything differently- a local hospital just had a referral for the virus and the nurses etc were not wearing n-95 respirators or anything (I haven't worn one yet, but even in places like CA where it is SPREADING, people aren't taking any new precautions other than maybe investing less in the stock market)...That person in my town who is suspected of having it contacted a bunch of people in the hospital, but until their test is "confirmed" at this point, despite STRONG suspicions of the virus,everyone at the hospital is running around like they didn't just get exposed (exposing others if they are now in the incubation stage).
Today, I called my mom and she said she read an article that said "there was nothing we could really do and that we were all probably going to get it" (she echoed this sentiment- and she hasn't done anything differently at all)-- while I agree that spread will be wide , that "there's nothing to be done" attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You see them spraying the streets and everyone in masks in China--- I bet $5000 bucks that doesn't happen here, even if things get worse...SO STUPID...
The US is going to try to be "pragmatic"/optimistic and down-play to keep fear/panic low (for the market) which means they will leave schools open etc until it starts to pick off staff and students (and it will be far too late)....and it will screw all of us over...I strongly believe this, as we don't even send kids home for lice or bed-bugs anymore in most public schools. This isn't a "you don't go home unless you have a fever of 100 or more" situation, but school nurses won't even consider 99 a fever these days!!!! I COULD SCREAM...nearly MY WHOLE CLASS IS SICK (most of them don't even do health-care) and their parents send them NO MATTER WHAT. I had 6 sick kids in my room ALL DAY because parents send them and nurse won't send-home unless I produce a body. Kids have had less trouble with this than adults, which means that old "send-home" procedures need to be revamped....YESTERDAY.
2nd case of community spread in California...Brace yourselves...Also-- it enrages me how MANY Americans (I am one) feel like they don't need to wear masks or do anything differently- a local hospital just had a referral for the virus and the nurses etc were not wearing n-95 respirators or anything (I haven't worn one yet, but even in places like CA where it is SPREADING, people aren't taking any new precautions other than maybe investing less in the stock market)...That person in my town who is suspected of having it contacted a bunch of people in the hospital, but until their test is "confirmed" at this point, despite STRONG suspicions of the virus,everyone at the hospital is running around like they didn't just get exposed (exposing others if they are now in the incubation stage).
Today, I called my mom and she said she read an article that said "there was nothing we could really do and that we were all probably going to get it" (she echoed this sentiment- and she hasn't done anything differently at all)-- while I agree that spread will be wide , that "there's nothing to be done" attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You see them spraying the streets and everyone in masks in China--- I bet $5000 bucks that doesn't happen here, even if things get worse...SO STUPID...
The US is going to try to be "pragmatic"/optimistic and down-play to keep fear/panic low (for the market) which means they will leave schools open etc until it starts to pick off staff and students (and it will be far too late)....and it will screw all of us over...I strongly believe this, as we don't even send kids home for lice or bed-bugs anymore in most public schools. This isn't a "you don't go home unless you have a fever of 100 or more" situation, but school nurses won't even consider 99 a fever these days!!!! I COULD SCREAM...nearly MY WHOLE CLASS IS SICK (most of them don't even do health-care) and their parents send them NO MATTER WHAT. I had 6 sick kids in my room ALL DAY because parents send them and nurse won't send-home unless I produce a body. Kids have had less trouble with this than adults, which means that old "send-home" procedures need to be revamped....YESTERDAY.
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Yes Noodles!
I saw a map in breif and it actually showed their are two more community spread cases bringing the total to 3. But that had not been officially released. And when I went back that so was gone.... So yeah it's spreading, had been spreading...
We have to accept swiftly to contain WHO had warned us, if we don't things could be bad....
But still I hope for good, but prepare for bad.
Yes Noodles!
I saw a map in breif and it actually showed their are two more community spread cases bringing the total to 3. But that had not been officially released. And when I went back that so was gone.... So yeah it's spreading, had been spreading...
We have to accept swiftly to contain WHO had warned us, if we don't things could be bad....
But still I hope for good, but prepare for bad.
Re: Wuhan virus
FYI fatality rates as we know them at this point, based on China released data
AGE
DEATH RATE*
80+ years old
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities
FYI fatality rates as we know them at this point, based on China released data
AGE
DEATH RATE*
80+ years old
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities
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Which means schools will stay open and teachers will be punished.............UGH!
Which means schools will stay open and teachers will be punished.............UGH!
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No, I don't think schools will stay open. The kiddies don't look sick, and do well with virus. But they do have it and spread it! They know this which is why other countries close school's.
No, I don't think schools will stay open. The kiddies don't look sick, and do well with virus. But they do have it and spread it! They know this which is why other countries close school's.
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Umm I can't keep up
The new case is the third confirmed case of coronavirus in Santa Clara County. The woman in this latest confirmed case did not travel to any coronavirus-affected areas or knowingly come into contact with an infected person, officials said.
Unclear
But seems more evacuate are testing positive....Texas says an additional 11
Officials said they are awaiting more test results and mentioned additional cases may be reported in the coming days.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-san-antonio/
Umm I can't keep up
The new case is the third confirmed case of coronavirus in Santa Clara County. The woman in this latest confirmed case did not travel to any coronavirus-affected areas or knowingly come into contact with an infected person, officials said.
Unclear
But seems more evacuate are testing positive....Texas says an additional 11
Officials said they are awaiting more test results and mentioned additional cases may be reported in the coming days.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-san-antonio/
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A couple of points regarding what to use for what.
- N-95 all the ways down to thin month and nose covers are commonly defined for use by someone that 'is' sick as they are by design consider as retention devises i.e. they catch what we 'wet' exhale. It is important to remember that this virus group is not defined as 'airborne.' When in very close contact with others, the masks work well at limiting 'wet' exhales of others. Think uncovered sneezing in an elevator!
- Latex Gloves, 'when changed often' are better at limiting contact with viruses that are on surfaces around us. The danger is when we touch our eyes, ears, nose, mouth and our lower body. Hence, active washing of our hands is a must prior to our hands making contact with our body...
It is important to know precisely how to wear a mask!!! At least a 1/3 of all video that shows individuals wear a mask are wearing them incorrectly!
A couple of points regarding what to use for what.
- N-95 all the ways down to thin month and nose covers are commonly defined for use by someone that 'is' sick as they are by design consider as retention devises i.e. they catch what we 'wet' exhale. It is important to remember that this virus group is not defined as 'airborne.' When in very close contact with others, the masks work well at limiting 'wet' exhales of others. Think uncovered sneezing in an elevator!
- Latex Gloves, 'when changed often' are better at limiting contact with viruses that are on surfaces around us. The danger is when we touch our eyes, ears, nose, mouth and our lower body. Hence, active washing of our hands is a must prior to our hands making contact with our body...
It is important to know precisely how to wear a mask!!! At least a 1/3 of all video that shows individuals wear a mask are wearing them incorrectly!
Re: Wuhan virus
Thanks Sailboat!
Quarantine practices that I've used with infectious animals, that may help you limit exposure.
Footbath at front door. Use a shallow tray, put dilute bleach and water in. You step in to tray. Then step off to newspapers. Leave shoes outside.
Have a garbage bag outside. Remove outer layer of clothes, put in bag and tie closed.
Put on a new pair of gloves. ( Yes you ware gloves when outside) practice taking off gloves so the inside of your hand never touched the outside of gloves. Throw old gloves away in trash can outside of your house. Now that you have new gloves on open your door. Then remove your eye protection and mask. Throw your mask away in outside garbage can. Put your goggles in a cleaning solution.
Now throw away the new pair of gloves you just put on.
Now you can go inside.
Wash your hands once inside. Then go take a shower and wash your hair to.
If you are going to wash the clothes youefy outside. Then first out on new mask and gloves. And do that before your shower. Do your laundry add bleach to the wash. Remove the mask and gloves put in a bag tie closed , put outside. Then wash off laundry buttons. Wash hands. Go take shower and wash clothes.
This is why health Care workers go through so many masks and gloves.
This is the procedure I used with quarantine animals. I can't say that it would protect you. But I guess if you were in extreme exposure situation, it might help.
Your car, you keep kitchen bleach wipes. You change gloves before you enter car. You step on each wipes before you enter car. You sit on plastic bags in car. You still treat car as tho it is contamination... I don't know..... Those are ideas....for people who are really worried.. inan active infections situation........it's very difficult to explain all the steps you would have to take....
People in an apartment building. This may it may not have any effect. But you can hang a clear plastic shower curtain on the outside if your door, and one on the inside of your door.
You can get one of those pump pressure bottles that sorsyba fine mist. You can use dilute bleach and water in it. Use to spray outside walkway. I'm not sure how good bleach is at killing viruses... If you have access to a cleaner that kiks viruses you can use that as directed.
I don't know if any of the above would work. But I just want to save lives, and limit infection....
A great article
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/bill-gates-says-coronavirus-may-be-once-in-a-century-pathogen.html
Thanks Sailboat!
Quarantine practices that I've used with infectious animals, that may help you limit exposure.
Footbath at front door. Use a shallow tray, put dilute bleach and water in. You step in to tray. Then step off to newspapers. Leave shoes outside.
Have a garbage bag outside. Remove outer layer of clothes, put in bag and tie closed.
Put on a new pair of gloves. ( Yes you ware gloves when outside) practice taking off gloves so the inside of your hand never touched the outside of gloves. Throw old gloves away in trash can outside of your house. Now that you have new gloves on open your door. Then remove your eye protection and mask. Throw your mask away in outside garbage can. Put your goggles in a cleaning solution.
Now throw away the new pair of gloves you just put on.
Now you can go inside.
Wash your hands once inside. Then go take a shower and wash your hair to.
If you are going to wash the clothes youefy outside. Then first out on new mask and gloves. And do that before your shower. Do your laundry add bleach to the wash. Remove the mask and gloves put in a bag tie closed , put outside. Then wash off laundry buttons. Wash hands. Go take shower and wash clothes.
This is why health Care workers go through so many masks and gloves.
This is the procedure I used with quarantine animals. I can't say that it would protect you. But I guess if you were in extreme exposure situation, it might help.
Your car, you keep kitchen bleach wipes. You change gloves before you enter car. You step on each wipes before you enter car. You sit on plastic bags in car. You still treat car as tho it is contamination... I don't know..... Those are ideas....for people who are really worried.. inan active infections situation........it's very difficult to explain all the steps you would have to take....
People in an apartment building. This may it may not have any effect. But you can hang a clear plastic shower curtain on the outside if your door, and one on the inside of your door.
You can get one of those pump pressure bottles that sorsyba fine mist. You can use dilute bleach and water in it. Use to spray outside walkway. I'm not sure how good bleach is at killing viruses... If you have access to a cleaner that kiks viruses you can use that as directed.
I don't know if any of the above would work. But I just want to save lives, and limit infection....
A great article
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/bill-gates-says-coronavirus-may-be-once-in-a-century-pathogen.html
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You are closely presenting the steps that individuals that work at or visit the large poultry facility use... A couple of years ago, the step by step practice of such facilities could be easily found on the internet when bird flu was filling the migration pathways.
The vast majority of the population haven't a clue what is involved with quarantine oneself from the outside World or self-quarantine if oneself is ill. This single item is likely the reasons for community outbreaks! Those sick or likely infected, not properly self-quarantine.
You are closely presenting the steps that individuals that work at or visit the large poultry facility use... A couple of years ago, the step by step practice of such facilities could be easily found on the internet when bird flu was filling the migration pathways.
The vast majority of the population haven't a clue what is involved with quarantine oneself from the outside World or self-quarantine if oneself is ill. This single item is likely the reasons for community outbreaks! Those sick or likely infected, not properly self-quarantine.
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There are 100 people "self isolating" themselves in my state I found out last night. Stay safe everyone...
There are 100 people "self isolating" themselves in my state I found out last night. Stay safe everyone...
Re: Wuhan virus
I have posted 3 times about Italy.
The virus there is a slightly different mutation. I sited the source on that earlier in the thread. Not one source has said this mutation is worse. But it really seems like it might be. That's not good because it has spread from Italy to many new countries. Here is what their data looks like currently. ( Subject to change )
239 new cases and 8 new deaths in Italy. Among the 1,049 active cases, 401 (38%) are hospitalized, and 105 (10%) are in intensive care. Among the 79 closed cases, 50 (63%) have recovered, 29 (37%) have died. [source] [source
I have posted 3 times about Italy.
The virus there is a slightly different mutation. I sited the source on that earlier in the thread. Not one source has said this mutation is worse. But it really seems like it might be. That's not good because it has spread from Italy to many new countries. Here is what their data looks like currently. ( Subject to change )
239 new cases and 8 new deaths in Italy. Among the 1,049 active cases, 401 (38%) are hospitalized, and 105 (10%) are in intensive care. Among the 79 closed cases, 50 (63%) have recovered, 29 (37%) have died. [source] [source
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Well it's quite possible it is intentional. I saw some headlines in a paper that says China created it to destroy America. If this thing does take off here it's going to have help by people who won't wear masks or cover their mouth and nose while sneezing/coughing. I was at Walmart earlier today where I first heard this woman coughing a lot, then I saw her. It sounded like every breath she coughed and coughed and coughed hard, and made no effort at all to cover her face. Needless to say I got away from her fast, and should have told a manager.
Well it's quite possible it is intentional. I saw some headlines in a paper that says China created it to destroy America. If this thing does take off here it's going to have help by people who won't wear masks or cover their mouth and nose while sneezing/coughing. I was at Walmart earlier today where I first heard this woman coughing a lot, then I saw her. It sounded like every breath she coughed and coughed and coughed hard, and made no effort at all to cover her face. Needless to say I got away from her fast, and should have told a manager.
Re: Wuhan virus
It is MHO, that this virus is very likely a weaponized virus. Likely created in the Bio Facility near Wuhan. That said, it was likely an individual that worked at that facility, which became infected and as a result (by accident) infected family and or friends (Zero Point). This small group of 4 to 6 individuals, like so many others visited the local 'wet' market several times per week... There is also, reports that workers at that Bio Facility (to obtain money for food) took several animals from the facility to the 'wet' market. It is highly likely that the animal (bat(s)) was not the primary source. From the 'wet' market, this virus spread to all parts of Wuhan and from there around the World.
It is my opinion that although China created this Virus, they did not release it to target America. The release was totally accidental in nature...
The reality is; All Nation States that have Bio Facilities are creating both variation of existing toxic /virus based monsters for weapons and as a means of fighting against them.
At present, China has shut-down huge section of their manufacturing centers and have hundreds of thousands of their people a different levels of exposure. If their goal was to kill Americans, their aim as extremely poor! Their financial losses are tipping into the Trillions of Dollars...
It is MHO, that this virus is very likely a weaponized virus. Likely created in the Bio Facility near Wuhan. That said, it was likely an individual that worked at that facility, which became infected and as a result (by accident) infected family and or friends (Zero Point). This small group of 4 to 6 individuals, like so many others visited the local 'wet' market several times per week... There is also, reports that workers at that Bio Facility (to obtain money for food) took several animals from the facility to the 'wet' market. It is highly likely that the animal (bat(s)) was not the primary source. From the 'wet' market, this virus spread to all parts of Wuhan and from there around the World.
It is my opinion that although China created this Virus, they did not release it to target America. The release was totally accidental in nature...
The reality is; All Nation States that have Bio Facilities are creating both variation of existing toxic /virus based monsters for weapons and as a means of fighting against them.
At present, China has shut-down huge section of their manufacturing centers and have hundreds of thousands of their people a different levels of exposure. If their goal was to kill Americans, their aim as extremely poor! Their financial losses are tipping into the Trillions of Dollars...
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