COVID-19 Virus

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

For Flboy, and the rest of us Florida peeps.
In addition to the article below, there is a rumour from a freind if a freind in a hospital near there area is young patient in isolation that they would like to test, but aren't allowed to either... It's a rumour, but my source is good... but many things cause same symptom.....we all just worry! But criteria for testing needs to be realistic, and allow more testing.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/wom...nt-test-her-virus/PBPY2N33C5GKHMJWJE6MPXZD2E/

 

[noodles123]

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They think it has been spreading in Washington state for upwards of 6 weeks. These stupid test protocols negate the very essence of viral spread.. If you only test when you have been to china/Iran/Italy etc, then what about if you walked by someone at the store who had been to China/Iran/Italy (and they sneezed). Even healthy people can sneeze or touch their mouths, so an asymptomatic person who is contagious could easily infect strangers who haven't traveled (without ever showing symptoms, or, after 14-24 days).
How did anyone think that only testing travelers with symptoms was logical?!?! With "close personal contact" meaning 6ft of space between you and an infected person, that means I have had close personal contact with nearly everyone I pass at the grocery store, at school, on the street, at the bank, in any line....it's crazy.. They need to revamp that phraseology, because "close personal contact" (followed by 6ft as the definition) is contradictory.

6 ft is FAR from "close personal contact"---heck, you stand that close to a check-out clerk at the store... (a total stranger...far from personal)...

Also, taken a step further, let's say I go to an airport to travel out of state but in the country, and people in that airport have traveled internationally (heck-- it could be a national airport for this analogy-- all it would take is one exposed person entering the airport---grocery store--mall--school....whatever). So, in this made-up scenario, I am in the airport and I walk past a lady from Ohio, who is going to visit her aunt in Nebraska (never traveled in her life). She sneezes, coughs or just touches the ATM pad that I use (not because she thinks she is sick, but because even healthy people do this stuff often). Unbeknownst to her, she had touched the same items as someone who had traveled internationally and now was infected/transmitting it herself. She sneezes near me and I get infected, but I may not ever know (even if I do, it could take 24 days) so I run around infecting people even though neither myself nor the theoretical woman from Ohio have A) any travel history, B) any symptoms and C) and traceable contacts with those who have traveled. Now repeat that cycle for every person who contacts "me" or "her" (plus all of their contacts) and it is insane...

If 14-24 days is the period of contagion, how on earth can be only be screening people who have immediate travel history!??!

I was at the store last night and I watched 3 adults sneeze uncovered (right into the air), 2 separate adults putting their fingers in their mouths/biting nails, 2 sneezing straight into their hands, at least 5 rubbing their eyes with their hands, and then you have the check-out people who lick their fingers to get the bags to un-stick (plus, all of the little kids in the world who touch whatever they want/lick whatever they want and then spread that to their parents).

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

Folks this is serious.
My parents went to Walmart to buy cold medicine, as directed by FEMA, Homeland security, and CDC website. Walmart told them that they are yellow ticket items and they can't buy them unless they are sick!!!!!
So wait till you have Coronavirus and then go to the store and spread to everyone?;?!?
If stores are limit or not selling stuff this is a real big deal!!!

 

[Scott]

Re: Wuhan virus

Must be local Walmart restrictions. I've made two trips to Walmart last few days and shelves were well stocked, no tagged items.

 

[Laurasea]

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So have I.
But today my parents just went! This is what happened.
I bought cold medicine a week ago, no issue!
Things are changing fast!

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

So my mom just stopped by and explain what happened. She bout a cold medicine for me 1, and 1 for her, then she got 1 cough medicine, and 1 bag of cough drops.

As she rang up, each iteam rang up yellow, then when at the end when you pay an alarm went off. The check out guy came. He said Walmart has instituted a non hoarding policy! Because if the coronavirus. That she had 2 of the same medicine. She told him one was for her daughter, so he said ok he would allow it. And put in a code.

She had to go to grocery store , and pick up her prescription, they had the same cold medicine sitting by the counter. So she asked them if they were limiting it. They said no limit, if she wanted all 16 bottles they had out that was fine, they had more. But she didn't get any, as having got the one at Walmart.

So I think this is a new policy, for this time. If anyone else has this happen from today forward at Wal-Mart let me know..

She did say that our Walmart was busy, and they were out of toilet paper, I got some yesterday and the store was fully stocked. So I guess people are getting scared.. And the news says every night for people to have two weeks if supplies on hand, do now people are doing that . I am sure the restock, there are no supply problem at this time.

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

UK: Coronavirus outbreak could force UK to shut down entire cities, health secretary admits. He also said a research paper suggesting half a million people in the UK could die in the event of a flu pandemic was a “reasonable worst-case scenario.”

The government contingency plans, which will be published this week, include that newly-retired doctors and nurses could be asked to return to the NHS.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-516...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

In Lombardy, the northern Italian region at the center of the country's outbreak, 1 in 10 of confirmed coronavirus cases involve medical personnel, according to Paola Stringa, a press officer for the Lombardy regional government.

The welfare assessor in charge of regional health care in Lombardy, Giulio Gallera, told reporters on Saturday that the region is evaluating whether to dedicate an entire hospital to coronavirus patients.

 

[SailBoat]

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With the wall to wall News Channels speaking of nothing else, the Masses will be out in force by tomorrow night! If you don't have it, you're likely not going to find it by Wednesday of this week. Step back as the Masses are rising!

As commented on within this Thread (Thank You To Each Of You For Raising The Flag Early!) has clearly indicated the issue regarding the 14 day (far more likely 21 days) prior to presenting symptoms has really allowed this virus to spread rapidly.

Be safe my friends!

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

Washing state people lined up in huge lines. Do not do that in the midst ifsn outbreak!!! Do this before!

 

[Inger]

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Washing state people lined up in huge lines. Do not do that in the midst ifsn outbreak!!! Do this before!

We lined up in huge lines where, exactly?

 

[Laurasea]

Re: Wuhan virus

Florida first two cases!!!!! One in Jacksonville FL I think, forty miles from me. We under State Emergency now. Waiting for news to come on
Ok think the cases are in Tampa Flo.
But 13 in Washington state now, plus another death and five in critical condition...
More in Illinois, new York, Rhode island and California. O hope we identify, contain, and stop the spread.

 

[Snapdragon]

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Washing state people lined up in huge lines. Do not do that in the midst ifsn outbreak!!! Do this before!

We lined up in huge lines where, exactly?

LOL Inger, that's what I was thinking, TBH. We're pretty chill up here; the atmosphere isn't panicked. Today was just another day. I met my mother and brother at the mall for lunch, got cat food, and saw nothing out of the ordinary aside from a couple more people using hand sanitizer than usual. (Of course, I was also looking for it, so it may just have been confirmation bias.) No unusually long lines. (Except Costco, but really, that's the first place everyone here goes to stock up.) Pretty much just people going about their usual lives. :44:

Even I'm not particularly concerned, despite being partially immunosuppressed. The only things I'm doing differently are to wash hands more often and to work harder to avoid touching my face without washing my hands first. I'm not wearing a face mask unless I get sick, in which case I'd be in quarantine anyway.

ETA
For all of the cases that have been reported, there are many, many more mild cases that will go unreported. The actual complication and fatality rates will be far lower than the current counts make it appear. Scientists say that it's likely that this will be a seasonally recurring disease and we'll wind up being vaccinated for new strains yearly, just like with the flu.

 

[Laurasea]

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Thanks for the concern guys.

I am in high risk group with autoimmune disease that lands me 10 times in ICU with needing to be on a ventilator , and have had respiratory arrests. So the world does look different to people like me. I've spent months in the hospital, and I know first hand how horrible it is.

So I have empathy and connection to those going through this now.

I also before I got sick, worked with infectious diseases. I've been blank deep in blood and gore, sometime dealing with highly zoonotic diseases. I had the equipment, training, and understanding of those diseases. Wasn't worried

This one has me concerned. As you have seen by my posting.

I hope very much , that it plays out as less serious.

" About 80% of people who contract this new coronavirus will feel sick, but ultimately be just fine. It’s the other 20% who get really, really sick that worry so many of us in the infectious diseases field. A lot of these critically ill patients wind up needing to be hospitalized for their pneumonia-like illnesses. They typically require critical care and ventilation — special machines that help them breathe. And some need to stay on ventilators for weeks at a time. It’s that portion of patients that’s most concerning. Depending how many cases develop here in the U.S., providing that level of care for that many people over a number of weeks runs the risk of overwhelming the nation’s health care system pretty quickly. "

 

[Snapdragon]

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Hey. *hug* Nobody is trying to invalidate your experiences or your medical issues, and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

Inger and I live in the same city in Washington State. it borders Mill Creek, which is where a school has been shut down for cleaning because a student tested positive. Personally, I live right on that border, and I even know someone whose husband works at that school. Despite that, things are normal in our area. Neither of us has seen unusually long lines. The only hoarding I've heard of so far is toilet paper. :18: So the talk of tons of crazy long lines in Washington and the implied panic that would cause them? That made me go, "What?" and chuckle because that's not my experience at all.

I understand and empathize with what's on your plate better than you realize. I am also in a high risk group. I am partially immunosuppressed due to multiple medications I take to control autoimmune diseases; I have contact with the public every day; and one of my housemates works at a large medical center and is at higher risk. I get sick a lot, and have had pneumonia several times. I even get reactive asthma if I've been sick long enough. I haven't yet landed in the hospital, but I know it'll happen eventually. Although I'll take reasonable measures to avoid it, I've pretty much accepted that I may get this virus at some point. The only question in my mind is, "how severe".

 

[Flboy]

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Welp! Florida has joined the ranks!
https://www.wjhg.com/content/news/G...ic-health-emergency-in-Florida-568382431.html

 

[texsize]

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Does anyone know, those 20% that require serious care.
Do there lungs recover from this or is there permanent damage ?

I have not read/heard anything about the aftereffects of those seriously affected.

 

[SailBoat]

Re: Wuhan virus

Does anyone know, those 20% that require serious care.
Do there lungs recover from this or is there permanent damage ?

I have not read/heard anything about the aftereffects of those seriously affected.

I recall that Laurasea reported that Lung damage was common with that 20% group of this Virus. I'll let her better define what has been seen.

 

[SailBoat]

Re: Wuhan virus

I think that this Group and all North America needs to understand the we are now entering that period in this region of near vertical expansion in the number of reported cases. This is purely a numbers game based on the number originally exposed individuals entering North America and those other individuals thus exposed and now showing signs of illness. This may likely step again...

Be safe!

 

[Laurasea]

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So I just got exposed to shingles,! Dang thus is not the time for that . . sigh...

Infectious rate of the seasonal influenza is that in one week you infect 9 people. The infectious rate of the new coronavirus is in one week you infect 45 people.

Here’s what coronavirus does to the body
From blood storms to honeycomb lungs, here’s an organ-by-organ look at how COVID-19 harms humans.

The Lungs: Ground zero
For most patients, COVID-19 begins and ends in their lungs, because like the flu, coronaviruses are respiratory diseases.

Coronaviruses also cause flu-like symptoms: Patients might start out with a fever and cough that progresses to pneumonia or worse

Severe disease and deaths were reported in every age group, except kids under nine years old

World Health Organization reported that the disease typically attacked the lungs in three phases: viral replication, immune hyper-reactivity, and pulmonary destruction.

( Not all people get to stage three! But if you do see below)
During the third phase, lung damage continues to build—which can result in respiratory failure. Even if death doesn’t occur, some patients survive with permanent lung damage. According to the WHO, SARS punched holes in the lungs, giving them “a honeycomb-like appearance”—and these lesions are present in those afflicted by
Coronavirus. https://api.nationalgeographic.com/.../02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body

So yes Texsize, permeant lung damage. But we are still learning.

But this is a serious disease to all age groups. But we are very lucky that it is only 2% fatal. Abd very lucky that 80% of people don't get that bad. But we must all work to limit the spread of this.

 

[Inger]

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We're up to 6 deaths in Washington now - I think all of them are people who were living in a retirement/nursing home. They're saying the virus has been floating around here for at least 6 weeks, which means we will never know how many people had the virus but not enough symptoms for a diagnosis. So probably the death rate isn't as high as it appears, but still no good for elderly and people with compromised immune systems. Schools are closing for cleaning and for training in distance learning and hand sanitizer is in short supply (I had to order some for work this morning and it was complicated).