COVID-19 Virus

[SailBoat]

The sun doesn't zap the virus like a bug zapper. It can take days for the effects of sun to start breaking down the virus.
Didn't CDC day clean all surfaces frequently in high traffic areas.

In the time that Humans obtain a Sunburn, it's about the same time for the Sun to inspirer the dead of a Virus. Now in soil, at the depth of a 1/4" that takes more like a few days. So, no the Sun is not a bug zapper, but neither does it takes days on the surface.

How this Virus jumps from human to human is not proven science, but it is known that it requires virus volume and the more time and the closer the pack of Humans the easier it seems to transfer. Think family gatherings (especially East Coast), etc...

FYI: Anyone catch the most recent releases that the China direct source Virus was here earlier than we believe and that the number of individuals that have been infected and recovered with it could be 50 to 85% greater than what we believe (California, West Coast Studies still underway). Also a growing belief that East Coast may be linked to Europe based infections with Americas returning from European Tours in France, Italy, and Spain. Early results from East Coast studies are still too small to extrapolate even limited information.

 

[Laurasea]

The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects.

A study done on viruses used the full sun at its peak ( noonish) ( no clouds, or pollution) a full day of fun would marginally reduce the infective rate.... depending on the capsid and
Examination of Fig. ​Fig.33 indicates that the wavelengths for peak effectiveness of solar inactivation lie between 300 and 305 nm for SZAs up to 37°. These wavelengths contributed more than two-thirds of the total effective solar flux. A midday solar effective flux of 0.17 J/m2254/min (implying a daily total fluence of approximately 50 J/m2254) might be “marginally effective” for inactivating viruses relevant to biodefense, e.g., a full-day exposure would produce about a 3-log decrease in infectivity for the more-UV-sensitive viruses and much less for less-UV-sensitive viruses.

 

[Laurasea]

CDC physician and researcher Nancy Messionnier said on Feb. 12 that "it’s premature to assume" the heat and sunlight will temper the virus. "We haven’t been through even a single year with this pathogen," she told NPR.
High-intensity UV light can indeed kill viruses. But natural sunlight doesn’t provide the UV light intensity needed to kill the virus, according to Rachel Graham, assistant professor of epidemiology at the UNG Gillings School of Global Public Health.


Neither the World Health Organization nor the U.S. Centers for Disease Control list sunlight exposure as a method for preventing the coronavirus. In fact, on its "mythbusters" webpage, the WHO says COVID-19 can be transmitted in all climates, "including areas with hot and humid weather."

Natural UV light not enough


High-intensity UV light can indeed kill viruses. But natural sunlight doesn’t provide the UV light intensity needed to kill the virus, according to Rachel Graham, assistant professor of epidemiology at the UNG Gillings School of Global Public Health.

"Exposing surfaces to plain sunlight should not be considered sanitation," she said, adding: "I would never ever, ever rely on sunlight to kill coronavirus."

Graham’s claim about UV light is supported by Sally Bloomfield, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

To kill a virus, temperatures must rise to about 140 degrees fahrenheit, Bloomfield told the BBC.

 

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CDC physician and researcher Nancy Messionnier said on Feb. 12 that "it’s premature to assume" the heat and sunlight will temper the virus. "We haven’t been through even a single year with this pathogen," she told NPR.
High-intensity UV light can indeed kill viruses. But natural sunlight doesn’t provide the UV light intensity needed to kill the virus, according to Rachel Graham, assistant professor of epidemiology at the UNG Gillings School of Global Public Health.


Neither the World Health Organization nor the U.S. Centers for Disease Control list sunlight exposure as a method for preventing the coronavirus. In fact, on its "mythbusters" webpage, the WHO says COVID-19 can be transmitted in all climates, "including areas with hot and humid weather."

Natural UV light not enough


High-intensity UV light can indeed kill viruses. But natural sunlight doesn’t provide the UV light intensity needed to kill the virus, according to Rachel Graham, assistant professor of epidemiology at the UNG Gillings School of Global Public Health.

"Exposing surfaces to plain sunlight should not be considered sanitation," she said, adding: "I would never ever, ever rely on sunlight to kill coronavirus."

Graham’s claim about UV light is supported by Sally Bloomfield, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

To kill a virus, temperatures must rise to about 140 degrees fahrenheit, Bloomfield told the BBC.

So using a steam cleaner to sterilize contaminated items should kill the virus.
After my two Amazons passed I bought a small steam cleaner to sterilize there cage before I used it again.

 

[SailBoat]

I'm going sight a couple of problems with the science that surrounding this Virus and then fully halt my involvement with this Thread.

"The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel."

Based on that study; Surgical rooms and equipment around the World should have been supplied with copper in place of stainless steel as based on this study copper sheds the most demanding virus 44 to 68 hours faster than stainless steel. But, oddly, Surgical rooms and equipment are and continue to be built using stainless steel.

"The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects."

And, yet the greatest transfer of this Virus is with volume in close quarters with time. The lower the volume, the more open the quarter and the longer the time the lower the transfer.

Take care and stay safe!

 

[Laurasea]

Sailboat, just dedicated to truth.
Care to site your source?
A vast majority of people don't know how they acquired the virus. With other viruses we know fomites ( a fomite is any inanimate object, when contaminated with or exposed to an infectious agent, can transfer diseases to a new host) play a huge role in spread of infections.

I just want to keep people safe. And provide them with accurate information.

 

[Flboy]

I have been a strong proponent of copper for a long time! l learned it was a method of keeping water safe during months long treks of the move west in this country!
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...s-viruses-and-bacteria-why-isnt-it-everywhere
And sorry for using Wikipedia as a source, but since this article dates 2014, it can be trusted somewhat!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper

 

[Laurasea]

An interesting finding, we will see how it plays out.

ril 20 (GMT)
Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) pollution [learn more] "may be one of the most important contributors to fatality caused by the COVID-19" a recent study [source] found after analyzing death cases from 66 administrative regions in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany. "Results show that out of the 4443 fatality cases, 3487 (78%) were in five regions located in north Italy and central Spain. Additionally, the same five regions show the highest NO2 concentrations combined with downwards airflow which prevent an efficient dispersion of air pollution. These results indicate that the long-term exposure to this pollutant may be one of the most important contributors to fatality caused by the COVID-19 virus in these regions and maybe across the whole world." [source]

83% of all fatalities (3701 cases) occurred in regions where the maximum NO2 concentration was above 100 μmol/m2
15.5% (691 cases) occurred in regions where the maximum NO2 concentration was between 50 and 100 μmol/m2
1.5% of all fatalities (51 cases) occurred in regions where the maximum NO2 concentration was below 50 μmol/m2
It shall be noted that there are other potentially decisive factors, such as a higher population density or a higher rate of international travel, that are also typical characteristics of urban areas, in addition to higher levels of pollution.

 

[noodles123]

They say steam cleaning won't take the virus out of a mask....If the sun is the cure, it also begs the question, why is the virus still thriving in warm/sunny climates? I suppose humidity could play a role, but I wouldn't hold my breath (unless walking around w/o a mask...buh dum bum! lol)

Also- from what I understand, this virus impacts hemoglobin and so while the impact appears to be respiratory, the actual agent of "attack" is actually impacting cells and preventing them from transporting proper levels of oxygen to the lungs which causes stress and the symptoms we have already discussed....Not saying they are right, but given the bruising, seizures, multiple organ failure, breathing and neurological impacts, I think they are onto something (in conjunction w/ the study about ACE and ARD inhibitors also causing problems for those with high BP): Not sure how trustworthy the source, but does seem logical: https://www.jewishpress.com/news/us...-new-treatments-with-old-standbys/2020/04/10/

and this https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200320/blood-type-may-affect-covid19-risk-study
Obviously, people still need as much oxygen (in healthy amounts) as their failing lungs can take, but the method of administration etc must be adjusted, as the lungs are likely just a casualty of the rest of the issues.

 

[ctwo]

This video from a lung Dr. would be worth watching to understand how the virus affects the body.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8wWhjTKRU"]How Coronavirus (COVID19) Kills Some People (But Not Others) - I'm a Lung Doctor (MEDICAL TRUTH) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bill_e]

Seems a lot of things, steam included will kill the virus, the issue is what will kill the virus and not ruin the PPE. Interesting.

i wonder if my Ozone CPAP cleaner will work?

EDIT: Read down to the hot (55C), humid air part.

https://consteril.com/covid-19-pandemic-disinfection-and-sterilization-of-face-masks-for-viruses/

 

[Laurasea]

A must read. The silent hypoxia that is deadly.

"Even patients without respiratory complaints had Covid pneumonia. The patient stabbed in the shoulder, whom we X-rayed because we worried he had a collapsed lung, actually had Covid pneumonia. In patients on whom we did CT scans because they were injured in falls, we coincidentally found Covid pneumonia. Elderly patients who had passed out for unknown reasons and a number of diabetic patients were found to have it.

And here is what really surprised us: These patients did not report any sensation of breathing problems, even though their chest X-rays showed diffuse pneumonia and their oxygen was below normal. How could this be?

We are just beginning to recognize that Covid pneumonia initially causes a form of oxygen deprivation we call “silent hypoxia” — “silent” because of its insidious, hard-to-detect nature."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

 

[fiddlejen]

A must read. The silent hypoxia that is deadly.

"Even patients without respiratory complaints had Covid pneumonia. The patient stabbed in the shoulder, whom we X-rayed because we worried he had a collapsed lung, actually had Covid pneumonia. In patients on whom we did CT scans because they were injured in falls, we coincidentally found Covid pneumonia. Elderly patients who had passed out for unknown reasons and a number of diabetic patients were found to have it.

And here is what really surprised us: These patients did not report any sensation of breathing problems, even though their chest X-rays showed diffuse pneumonia and their oxygen was below normal. How could this be?

We are just beginning to recognize that Covid pneumonia initially causes a form of oxygen deprivation we call “silent hypoxia” — “silent” because of its insidious, hard-to-detect nature."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

I remember reading about this back when the virus was still mostly in China or possibly just starting to spread.

I remember because, being myself quite respiratory-susceptible, I noticed & thought gee, this sounds like Walking Pneumonia. In fact, as I recall, this thought was the first that really frightened me, so that I started paying attention to what was going on.

With all the more recent talk about ICU critical cases & respirator needs and etc., these less-obvious cases have obviously slipped by the wayside. But this is a reminder, that this virus seems to cover All the bases for possible respiratory distress, including Walking Pneumonia.

 

[Jasmine333]

Heads up on this one. I listen to the evening world news daily and now the CDC is warning there could be a 2nd wave this winter, and say it's possible it would be far more dangerous and deadly.

 

[bill_e]

Heads up on this one. I listen to the evening world news daily and now the CDC is warning there could be a 2nd wave this winter, and say it's possible it would be far more dangerous and deadly.

This is what he actually said, I corroborated this with 4 news sources. It's quite different from what the World News Daily said. His concern is for the health care system, something that we have time to, and are currently bolstering up.

“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in a story published Tuesday. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he added, predicting a dual assault on the health care system.

 

[Jasmine333]

Heads up on this one. I listen to the evening world news daily and now the CDC is warning there could be a 2nd wave this winter, and say it's possible it would be far more dangerous and deadly.

This is what he actually said, I corroborated this with 4 news sources. It's quite different from what the World News Daily said. His concern is for the health care system, something that we have time to, and are currently bolstering up.

“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in a story published Tuesday. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he added, predicting a dual assault on the health care system.

Well I'm glad you clarified that, but even so it will be bad to have the flu plus covid 19 together.

 

[Scott]

Hopefully the 2020 flu vaccine will be optimimal to target the prevalent strains. Some years they are spot on, other times, not so much. Even if the cocktail is not ideal, there is some halo effect should one catch influenza.

 

[Flboy]

Hopefully the 2020 flu vaccine will be optimimal to target the prevalent strains. Some years they are spot on, other times, not so much. Even if the cocktail is not ideal, there is some halo effect should one catch influenza.

I am one of the fortunate that rarely gets the flu, a good 20 years at least! Or I should say, what I do get is almost, completely asymptomatic! But for those close to me, a different story! Because of this, for the past several years I do get the vaccine!

 

[bill_e]

Well I'm glad you clarified that, but even so it will be bad to have the flu plus covid 19 together.

Agree with that. A problem might be that everyone is so paranoid that they go to the hospital for every sniffle because they are afraid of covid.

I get a flu shot and virtually never get sick, even though I spend 2/3rds of my life on planes and in hotels but I attribute that to my immune system which is supported by the supplements I take.

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Hopefully the 2020 flu vaccine will be optimimal to target the prevalent strains. Some years they are spot on, other times, not so much. Even if the cocktail is not ideal, there is some halo effect should one catch influenza.

I am one of the fortunate that rarely gets the flu, a good 20 years at least! Or I should say, what I do get is almost, completely asymptomatic! But for those close to me, a different story! Because of this, for the past several years I do get the vaccine!

I "was" like you too,David...never got a flu shot,never got the flu..until I got into my sixties

I'm just waiting for the comet to hit..:54:

Jim