COVID-19 Virus

[texsize]

I would rather take the antibody test. I think I already had the virus the 2nd week in February.
Whatever it was I had it was different in several ways from any other cold/flu.

 

[SailBoat]

Well, the test results came in and I'm classified as Covel 19 PCR: Not Detected! Now there is a Legal description, if I have ever heard one!
First time I've been so classified!

The anti-body test is only being used if you have been released from a Hospital or if you are selected to be spot tested.

 

[Scott]

Well that's some great news, Admiral! Hopefully clear skies and smooth sailing ahead!

 

[Laurasea]

The following is concerning, as it points to enough young people likely having permeantung damage after recovering from a severe case if the virus.. or heart damage....as reported earlier in this thread holes in lungs

"The Pentagon is considering banning new recruits from joining the military if they have been hospitalized for the*coronavirus*unless they get a waiver from the service they want to sign up with, according to a defense official.

The official said the guidance is being put in place because there is little understanding of the "long-term" effects of the virus and there is a concern that potential recruits who have been hospitalized may need further medical assessments."
Tho it isn't spelled out quite so clearly...

 

[Laurasea]

The following is concerning, as it points to enough young people likely having permeantung damage after recovering from a severe case if the virus.. or heart damage....as reported earlier in this thread holes in lungs

"The Pentagon is considering banning new recruits from joining the military if they have been hospitalized for the*coronavirus*unless they get a waiver from the service they want to sign up with, according to a defense official.

The official said the guidance is being put in place because there is little understanding of the "long-term" effects of the virus and there is a concern that potential recruits who have been hospitalized may need further medical assessments."
Tho it isn't spelled out quite so clearly...

 

[Cardinal]

I would rather take the antibody test. I think I already had the virus the 2nd week in February.
Whatever it was I had it was different in several ways from any other cold/flu.

In what way was it different?

 

[noodles123]

an antibody test is 1. not accurate at this point, and 2. it only shows if you recovered. An actively sick person would not show antibodies, as they are still ill. Plus, an antibody test (currently) is not where it needs to be in terms of accuracy...but basically, one--Covid 19 swab etc-- shows if you are sick NOW, and the other (in theory) shows if you WERE sick already, but (important as they are) antibody tests are work-in-progress and they are not accurate (despite mass circulation in certain circles). I want one badly too, but they are not trustworthy yet.

Also- there are cases of people reportedly testing positive after a period of apparent recovery- so just because you get it once, does not mean you are definitely not going to either have a flare-up or contract it again...they don't know enough about "immunity" and if it lasts at all really..

 

[texsize]

I would rather take the antibody test. I think I already had the virus the 2nd week in February.
Whatever it was I had it was different in several ways from any other cold/flu.

In what way was it different?

I would wake up coughing in the middle of the night.
When I first started feeling sick I could feel my sinuses filling up like someone was filling them up with syrup.
The headache that came with was different. I am an expert in headaches and this one rested on the top of my head and that for me is unusual.

I know what I experienced is not typical for covid 19 but I have seen in the past that the same virus can effect different people in different ways.

 

[Scott]

The virus poses deep challenges to diagnosis and treatment besides the obvious:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/health/happy-hypoxia-pulse-oximeter-trnd-wellness/index.html

 

[Laurasea]

On antibodies, there are three stages , you can have antibodies while still having the infection. I'd have to look up cuz I don't rember but there are IGG, IGA, abd IGM I think.. edit this is info from. Another virus but talks about antibodies
The first is IgM to viral capsid antigen (VCA). It is initially positive in the second or third week of infection. It usually wanes by 2–4 weeks and may not develop at all in young children.

Next is IgG to VCA. It is initially positive in second to fourth week of infection and detectable for life

This talks about the long-term health effects in heart lungs, kidney and brain after recovering from coronavirus, there are more articles on the lasting effects. These are mostly for severe cases, but even viral pneumonia not require hospital care can damage the lungs permanently.
https://www.today.com/health/corona...h-covid-19-impact-lungs-heart-kidneys-t178770

 

[SailBoat]

The following is concerning, as it points to enough young people likely having permeantung damage after recovering from a severe case if the virus.. or heart damage....as reported earlier in this thread holes in lungs

"The Pentagon is considering banning new recruits from joining the military if they have been hospitalized for the*coronavirus*unless they get a waiver from the service they want to sign up with, according to a defense official.

The official said the guidance is being put in place because there is little understanding of the "long-term" effects of the virus and there is a concern that potential recruits who have been hospitalized may need further medical assessments."
Tho it isn't spelled out quite so clearly...

You're uncanny abilities to spot the underreported and over looked notes of interest has come across one of the sodalities of the US Military. When an illness is noted to affect health underling 'issues' of young adults, they choose to limit induction of that group.

Another underreported US Military activity was the physical update, staffing intake and closing the doors of Cheyenne Mountain. This in uncommon with the exception of the Nation's military setting its national defense protocols to DEFCON 3 or higher. There is no record of this occurring as a result of a national health emergency.

 

[Flboy]

...........Another underreported US Military activity was the physical update, staffing intake and closing the doors of Cheyenne Mountain. This in uncommon with the exception of the Nation's military setting its national defense protocols to DEFCON 3 or higher. There is no record of this occurring as a result of a national health emergency.

Oh my! Way too many ways to take this! None are good!

Edit: Just did some digging! This took place end of March! So it isn’t as ominous as I first read into it!

 

[Laurasea]

I'm having so much trouble finding recent science and facts in the virus, to me it seems this info is squashed. We aren't hearing how many cases are hospitalized current in US, what percent need hospital, and what are the ages of people in the hospital.

I talked to people docs and nurses and friends who have family working in hospitals as doc or nurses. So I can't source this for you.

Chicago hospitals getting pretty full, patients are of all ages over 20. Plenty of people in their 20s die due to virus. The emergency room doctor said this is a terrible disease very hard on the body. And tho the older folks die more he has every age in the hospital with this..

Freind who has family that are doctor and nurse in UK, also reports plunty if young people in the hospital, and some are passing from it. Emphasis Tomy freind from her family this is not a disease of old people, it's a disease of all age people a sever disease in all ages.

Florida ER doc that is freinds with my parents. Yes he has all ages admitted to the hospital with coronavirus. That this is a terrible terrible disease ( echo from other doctors). That people die terrible deaths from this.....that yes younger folks usually win the fight in the hospital but that they suffer greatly, kidney issues, lung issues, heart issues.

Ok I hope all ages believe that, that's the info I got as I reached out to all contacts and asked about ages if people in the hospital, and how it's effecting people under 50

 

[Scott]

Laura, this is my access portal to local coronavirus updates. Very thorough daily briefing by the county of San Diego: https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/coronavirus.html

This sub-link is a statistician's dream. First table shows basic demographics, but scroll down to the blue links for all sorts of highly detailed information including race and ethnicity, location, etc.: https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/cont...mmunity_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/status.html

Not sure if there is anything similar nationally, but I'm hopeful other cities provide the same daily updates and disclosures.

 

[Laurasea]

Great info Scott! Certainly shows plunty if young people in the hospital jus like my doctor sources said!

I had visited the CDC website it was cumbersome, I did find that the largest number if cases was between 20-44 tho they didn't list ages if hospital cases. But on the CDC site they said they change the percent of cases to weight the cases to the over 65 age group and those are the numbers they release. They explain they do this because we have a larger number if people in the 20-44 age group, than the over 65 age group. I find that slightly odd....my parents are baby boomers and my and their whole life they've been told that the huge population boom has put a stress on the system, first in schools then on social security as they are the boom population......
Personally I feel CDC should release the real numbers and let the 20-44 population know they are the group with the highest coronavirus cases...I think it would help, then they might wear masks and practice social distancing better. As I can only say what u see around me, and here in my neck of the woods 90% in that age group are not wearing masks in public or at Walmart or grocery stores.. I do hear from people in different areas of Florida and the country that people are better about masks than my area.

I will try and see if I can find that CDC info again so I can source for you.

Thanks again Scott, for the link that shows all age groups have hundred or hundreds hospitalized in California.

 

[Scott]

Glad you found the data interesting, Laura! I too have noticed younger people tend against wearing masks, with notable exceptions. Peer pressure likely plays a huge role as many are deeply involved with social media.

 

[SailBoat]

Our state started opening already but me and my family decided to wait a little further since we think it is still a bit too early.

Each individual has the right to choose when and to what level of protection they elect to use when reentering social activity. I'm certain that no one is or will force you to stray-out of your home...

As each State opens back-up it is done based on that State's choice against guidelines provided by CDC.

Enjoy the Freedom provided by America's Bill of Rights.

 

[Flboy]

Have to love it! Thursday, I indulged in homemade Mexican food. Indulge was more like a binge! Well, Friday was payback from Mother Nature! I was so bloated, it hurt to breath! Then, in comes family, difficulty breathing? Mind you, these are active medical people!
Yep, I got shipped off for COVID testing! Against the advice of my doctor!
So here I am, waiting for the results, 100% shunned by family!
How do I feel? Except for the embarrassment of what happed to the plumbing, great! Does it matter? Nope!

 

[SailBoat]

Have to love it! Thursday, I indulged in homemade Mexican food. Indulge was more like a binge! Well, Friday was payback from Mother Nature! I was so bloated, it hurt to breath! Then, in comes family, difficulty breathing? Mind you, these are active medical people!
Yep, I got shipped off for COVID testing! Against the advice of my doctor!
So here I am, waiting for the results, 100% shunned by family!
How do I feel? Except for the embarrassment of what happed to the plumbing, great! Does it matter? Nope!

Yet, they feel vindicated in their demands, because if it comes back positive they can then mass in defining your treatment. If not, well they assured you didn't have it. For them (family) its a win /win... For you, not so much... Aaaa, the joy of family...

 

[bill_e]

WhoHoo! I get a haircut tomorrow!