COVID-19 Virus

Imagine my surprise, Florida is leading the states in the number of new daily cases today almost 3,000 new cases, we also are leading in new daily deaths 120
According to our State Health Department we hsve over 13% positivity rate.

Today our governor lifted all restrictions, announced we are doing great, closed some tests sites......huh??? Snd said our postivity rate has gone down to less than 5% ...
So 13% abd 5% aren't the same, who isn't telling the truth???

The national news says cases are on the rise in Florida ...
The contradictory messages leaves me unsettled
 
It is sometimes interesting looking at the 'non' peer review science of late and of course its timing. Seems that a 'group' has just put together a study that addresses the rapid expansion /transition of the monster virus. They are referencing this 'new monster' as D614G. This variation seems to not be effected by the historic stops of washing one's hands, masks, etc...

That all said, the historic; 'Stop the World' needs to wait until the details of this study are, in fact' reviewed.
 
Imagine my surprise, Florida is leading the states in the number of new daily cases today almost 3,000 new cases, we also are leading in new daily deaths 120
According to our State Health Department we hsve over 13% positivity rate.

Today our governor lifted all restrictions, announced we are doing great, closed some tests sites......huh??? Snd said our postivity rate has gone down to less than 5% ...
So 13% abd 5% aren't the same, who isn't telling the truth???

The national news says cases are on the rise in Florida ...
The contradictory messages leaves me unsettled

Well, you can come to Michigan. Our rates are dropping like a lead sinker, as is our national standing. Yet, we are locked down until 9, February 2021.

We will have lots of room as our Snow Birds will be flying South during October and November...
 
Our news did a pole and 65% were against this late Friday announcing of no longer mandating masks and social distance. Feeling it didn't follow science.

I just had to run to the pet store as I gsve my dog razer burn during a shave poor baby. In the middle of tge doorway is a sign ask patrons to wear masks. For the furst time i saw most customers not wearing a mask. I asked my young vheck out girl 18-20 age what she thought ? She was very upset, and feels her risks have gone up, and felt this was not the time to stop wearing masks, she and i both had masks on !
 
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Poor dog, "I gave my dog razor burn". Time to consider shaving cream. :D

Even an 'Open State' person like me uses a mask when out and about in areas with other people, like stores, etc... To a sad point, Michigan is under monitory mask wearing and the vast majority of individuals do not wear a mask. AND, monitory mask wearing laws are be stuck-down by the courts as interference with an Individual's Civil Rights.

Interestingly, whether one's State requires masts or not, there is no law that states that you cannot wear a mask.
 
I don't see how mask mandates are any different from indecent exposure laws or "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...and they are far more important in terms of preserving life and stopping the spread.

This isn't directed at you Sailboat---it's just a rant at the system..I just have been so frustrated by all of this "civil liberties" talk in general... It shouldn't be MY choice to poison a communities water supply, it shouldn't be MY choice when my "choices" could kill others (at least, not without penalty). I don't see how personal liberties are in question here--- But when "my choices" disrupt "life and the pursuit of happiness", that's a problem. People have the right to feel safe to some extent--- I can't lurk around like a serial killer and expect people to be okay with it, but that's what this virus is doing, and by not wearing a mask, people are basically accomplices to murder....If wearing a mask is a violation of personal rights, then why do we have speed limits, seat-belt laws, BAC limits when driving, etc etc? You can literally get a ticket for jay-walking, but it's okay not to wear a mask and kill people as a vector? It's not just lives, but the economy that are being impacted by this "personal freedom"..The longer people resist measures intended to control the virus, the longer it will take its toll (on the economy and on people's right to life). How is it, that the same people refusing to wear masks are the same ones complaining about restrictions??! WEAR THE MASK and things can re-open...This shouldn't be political-- we KNOW masking helps.

If I were to drive drunk, I could be arrested. Personal choice? Yes....but one that can kill others (and one for which I would be penalized)....How is driving drunk any different than refusing to wear a mask and perpetuating the pandemic out of selfish, personal desires...??? More people could die as a result of failure to wear a mask than in a car accident....1 person has been shown to infect over 30 people--based on a birthday party event in Chicago... (who then went on to infect others)....You don't have to have symptoms to be spreading this deadly disease. 40% of cases are totally asymptomatic...

It takes EVERYONE wearing masks for masks to work. Yes, there is some protection for the wearer, but wearing a mask protects others to a greater degree...So by not wearing masks, people are basically saying, "screw your grandma", "screw immuno-compromised people". "screw anyone with an underlying condition" "MY COMFORT MATTERS MORE THAN YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE...MY POLITICS MATTER MORE THAN YOUR LIFE." Not to mention the fact that healthy people without underlying conditions have also died.

The virus can spread indefinitely in people without symptoms and even those who do develop them can still be secretly contagious for 14 days...Lock-downs work...they really do (and yes, they harm businesses, but when people die, that means fewer customers as well- there is no simple answer, but saving lives is important). Young people are not the only ones that matter in this society...Since restaurants in our area closed to indoor dining, our numbers dropped from 14% to 6.8%...Now, think about what is going to happen during flu season.. Hospitals get overwhelmed every year, so imagine this on top of that...I hate having a mask on my face, but this isn't a matter of comfort or party affiliation...or at least, it shouldn't be. It's a matter of protecting the economy, civilians and first-responders...During WW2 etc, people just accepted that there were new limits on things....HECK, rationing was serious...black out drills were serious.. curfews were serious....but we can't even wear a piece of paper over our privileged faces. It's pathetic..I still have more freedoms than people in many places...a mask is a small price...and the more people who cooperate, the sooner things can move back to normal...
 
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I agree where is all the protest about seat belt laws???
Seat belts save lives you get a ticket for not wearing one .
 
I agree where is all the protest about seat belt laws???
Seat belts save lives you get a ticket for not wearing one .

On top of that, failure to wear a seat-belt kills FAR FEWER people....but it's a law...and people don't complain about it on this level..Worst-case-scenario, a person w/o a seat-belt becomes a projectile and kills themselves and possibly another passenger as they fly forward...but that's way less serious than killing potentially hundreds of people. This whole COVID thing started with ONE PERSON and is now impacting the entire world and global economy...
 
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I agree where is all the protest about seat belt laws???
Seat belts save lives you get a ticket for not wearing one .

On top of that, failure to wear a seat-belt kills FAR FEWER people....but it's a law...and people don't complain about it on this level..Worst-case-scenario, a person w/o a seat-belt becomes a projectile and kills themselves and possibly another passenger as they fly forward...but that's way less serious than killing potentially hundreds of people. This whole COVID thing s:whiteblue::blue1: tarted with ONE PERSON and is now impacting the entire world and global economy...


I was a kid when this law was passed. OMG people lost thier minds threw fits. How were they expected to have kids keep their seatbelt on........lol they exact same now with masks!!!!!
But guess what you expected the kid to wear the seatbelt and they do . Its a lot more restricting for a young kid to be strapped in to a car seat than to wear a mask a d tgey manage.
To me this just seems go be the time of throwing fits. As a society with constant entertainment at our fingertips, answers to every question at our fingertips....we've lost tge delayed gratification stage that should be reached by anyone older than a toddler!!!
 
I agree where is all the protest about seat belt laws???
Seat belts save lives you get a ticket for not wearing one .

On top of that, failure to wear a seat-belt kills FAR FEWER people....but it's a law...and people don't complain about it on this level..Worst-case-scenario, a person w/o a seat-belt becomes a projectile and kills themselves and possibly another passenger as they fly forward...but that's way less serious than killing potentially hundreds of people. This whole COVID thing s:whiteblue::blue1: tarted with ONE PERSON and is now impacting the entire world and global economy...


I was a kid when this law was passed. OMG people lost thier minds threw fits. How were they expected to have kids keep their seatbelt on........lol they exact same now with masks!!!!!
But guess what you expected the kid to wear the seatbelt and they do . Its a lot more restricting for a young kid to be strapped in to a car seat than to wear a mask a d tgey manage.
To me this just seems go be the time of throwing fits. As a society with constant entertainment at our fingertips, answers to every question at our fingertips....we've lost tge delayed gratification stage that should be reached by anyone older than a toddler!!!

Yup....no more delayed gratification...so bad...
[ame="https://youtu.be/55zjlSkBM4M"]I want, I want, I want, me, me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, mine, now, now, now! - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I don't see how mask mandates are any different from indecent exposure laws or "no shirt, no shoes, no service"...and they are far more important in terms of preserving life and stopping the spread.

This isn't directed at you Sailboat---it's just a rant at the system..I just have been so frustrated by all of this "civil liberties" talk in general... It shouldn't be MY choice to poison a communities water supply, it shouldn't be MY choice when my "choices" could kill others (at least, not without penalty). I don't see how personal liberties are in question here--- But when "my choices" disrupt "life and the pursuit of happiness", that's a problem. People have the right to feel safe to some extent--- I can't lurk around like a serial killer and expect people to be okay with it, but that's what this virus is doing, and by not wearing a mask, people are basically accomplices to murder....If wearing a mask is a violation of personal rights, then why do we have speed limits, seat-belt laws, BAC limits when driving, etc etc? You can literally get a ticket for jay-walking, but it's okay not to wear a mask and kill people as a vector? It's not just lives, but the economy that are being impacted by this "personal freedom"..The longer people resist measures intended to control the virus, the longer it will take its toll (on the economy and on people's right to life). How is it, that the same people refusing to wear masks are the same ones complaining about restrictions??! WEAR THE MASK and things can re-open...This shouldn't be political-- we KNOW masking helps.

If I were to drive drunk, I could be arrested. Personal choice? Yes....but one that can kill others (and one for which I would be penalized)....How is driving drunk any different than refusing to wear a mask and perpetuating the pandemic out of selfish, personal desires...??? More people could die as a result of failure to wear a mask than in a car accident....1 person has been shown to infect over 30 people--based on a birthday party event in Chicago... (who then went on to infect others)....You don't have to have symptoms to be spreading this deadly disease. 40% of cases are totally asymptomatic...

It takes EVERYONE wearing masks for masks to work. Yes, there is some protection for the wearer, but wearing a mask protects others to a greater degree...So by not wearing masks, people are basically saying, "screw your grandma", "screw immuno-compromised people". "screw anyone with an underlying condition" "MY COMFORT MATTERS MORE THAN YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE...MY POLITICS MATTER MORE THAN YOUR LIFE." Not to mention the fact that healthy people without underlying conditions have also died.

The virus can spread indefinitely in people without symptoms and even those who do develop them can still be secretly contagious for 14 days...Lock-downs work...they really do (and yes, they harm businesses, but when people die, that means fewer customers as well- there is no simple answer, but saving lives is important). Young people are not the only ones that matter in this society...Since restaurants in our area closed to indoor dining, our numbers dropped from 14% to 6.8%...Now, think about what is going to happen during flu season.. Hospitals get overwhelmed every year, so imagine this on top of that...I hate having a mask on my face, but this isn't a matter of comfort or party affiliation...or at least, it shouldn't be. It's a matter of protecting the economy, civilians and first-responders...During WW2 etc, people just accepted that there were new limits on things....HECK, rationing was serious...black out drills were serious.. curfews were serious....but we can't even wear a piece of paper over our privileged faces. It's pathetic..I still have more freedoms than people in many places...a mask is a small price...and the more people who cooperate, the sooner things can move back to normal...

Bravo, so well stated! Are civics actually taught to youngsters in schools? None of our freedoms are absolute, they are limited to comport with public safety, curtailed during temporary national emergencies.
 
I wish that I could say "Bravo," but all three of you have chosen to forget the 'basic' tenets of the current 'status' of Law in the United States.

Sadly, there is a mix of Law and Government Oversight being compared above. It is not a given 'Right' to drive an Automobile anywhere in North America. Hence comparing Law regarding a privilege 'granted by government' (driving) and Civil Rights is not a proper comparison! There is much more to say, but its is very important to understand that we live in a Republic, which is why we have Individual Protections and State Rights.

It is very important that we all understand that Civics as a High School Course is not as the majority of us may remember. That is a very sad statement, that continues to vastly change toward a new educational goal of 1619 (I may have that the number wrong), but my fear of it is real.
 
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but what about seat belts, helmets etc? Why are they acceptable? I mean,even freedom of speech is not absolute...what about indecent exposure? Also, what defines indecency and why? It's rhetorical, but if they can legislate that women must cover their nipples, why is it wrong to say that people must cover their faces for the sake of public health on a temporary basis? I didn't choose to be born a woman, but men can run topless and I cannot (not that I would want to) but my whole point is that clearly the government can prosecute when people fail to cover arbitrary body parts...so demanding that people wear a mask seems no more ridiculous than demanding that people cover certain body parts.
 
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"Even an 'Open State' person like me uses a mask when out and about in areas with other people, like stores, etc... To a sad point, Michigan is under monitory mask wearing and the vast majority of individuals do not wear a mask. AND, monitory mask wearing laws are be stuck-down by the courts as interference with an Individual's Civil Rights.

Interestingly, whether one's State requires masts or not, there is no law that states that you cannot wear a mask."

I guess that I should have provided the results of my non-scientific study: The vast majority where 'not' conservative, not even close!
 
I don't think this always corresponds to party lines, but there are quite a few out there who see wearing a mask as a nod to liberalism. I don't think it is right (I am not a democrat or republican--so I don't have any real loyalty in that department, if it helps lol). My agenda is not political. I just hate that it is perceived that way by some (Sailboat, again, don't want you to think I respect you any less).
 
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but what about seat belts, helmets etc? Why are they acceptable? I mean,even freedom of speech is not absolute...what about indecent exposure? Also, what defines indecency and why? It's rhetorical, but if they can legislate that women must cover their nipples, why is it wrong to say that people must cover their faces for the sake of public health on a temporary basis? I didn't choose to be born a woman, but men can run topless and I cannot (not that I would want to) but my whole point is that clearly the government can prosecute when people fail to cover arbitrary body parts...so demanding that people wear a mask seems no more ridiculous than demanding that people cover certain body parts.

Take care, you are asking questions that the 'dark side' has been asking for years! Our Laws are a mixed bag created by Court challenges over the years and leaves anyone with a thinking mind puzzles! But, as stated, based on the current status of the Laws, it is what it is!

Sadly, as Humans, what Laws we disagree with are wrong, bad, etc..., what laws we agree with, well they are wonderful, great, and supportable! Right!
 
lol- what is "the dark side"?

I guess I just feel like if they can legislate that we wear pants/shirts etc etc....and it's acceptable to say, "no shirt , no shoes, no service" then this should be acceptable as well. No on is challenging those restrictions, and they have a lesser impact on public well-being.
 
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I don't think this always corresponds to party lines, but there are quite a few out there who see wearing a mask as a nod to liberalism. I don't think it is right (I am not a democrat or republican--so I don't have any real loyalty in that department, if it helps lol). My agenda is not political. I just hate that it is perceived that way by some (Sailboat, again, don't want you to think I respect you any less).

I would fully agree with you back in February, prior to the Mass Media getting involved and then political correctness. From that point to this very moment, near everything about this monstrous virus is political.

And, I do not respect you any less, either.
 
lol- what is "the dark side"?

I guess I just feel like if they can legislate that we wear pants/shirts etc etc....and it's acceptable to say, "no shirt , no shoes, no service" then this should be acceptable as well. No on is challenging those restrictions, and they have a lesser impact on public well-being.

Great question! "The Dark Side" reference is what is placed upon anyone that is not enlighten to the present /future beliefs, but still lost in the old dark days of the past, those lost in the works of the past: Federalists Papers and/or the Constitution.
 
Public health science says ware a mask
Just like public health says ware a hair net i. Food prep
No smoking in buildings, no more smoking on airplane public health because it effects more than you
Or how about fancy restaurants having a dress code
If a say Publix wants you to have a mask on and you don't want to comply dont go to Publix
Mask is public health backed by science
Its foolish to involve politics

Florida didn't have mask mandates and other health restrictions until very late in the game , tge results speak for themselves, over 14,000 deaths over 700000 cases
My county didn't have mask mandating until the second week in July. ...we are now a red county with a 10% positivity rate and rising death toll

" As of 14 July, over 4,400 Floridians have died due to the virus and the state's weekly average has risen to 81 people each day by local counts. The same day saw the state's all-time highest daily death toll, with 132 reported deaths."

And only 2 months after we have more than doubled are deaths now more than 14,000 deaths
 
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