COVID-19 Virus

[noodles123]

I deleted my reply because talking about this in general makes me fearful lol/sad.

The whole thing is seriously jacked up. Not sure why we closed in March if the plan is now to re-open during flu season when covid numbers are far higher than they ever were and hospital capacity is lower...what was the point? It's all so contradictory and I dislike feeling like a political pawn whose life is disposable...thrown to the wolves for the sake of "we must reopen our schools". It's going to impact the whole community too--- not just the kids and teachers.

It's funny though, because I'm pretty sure HIPPA allows schools to disclose threats that impact others (hence districts who DO notify parents)-- I just did a training and from what I understood (legally) it's not a violation to report that an unidentified student has a novel/ highly contagious illness , but that is not some schools are telling workers...Schools legally can send letters home about lice, whooping cough etc. It's politics, money and serious threats of termination that are silencing people. People are being told to keep quiet, or else...and I'm pretty sure they can/have fire(d) people over this, but so far, I don't think anyone has taken it to court. The issue is, you have to sign a bunch of papers ahead of time...verifying that if you return to work, you will do XYZ....Never mind the people who signed off on wearing masks but are not...nothing happens to them...but God forbid there is a whistle-blower.

 

[SailBoat]

There are two very different discussion regarding returning to face to face school. Those who live in districts with zero or very near zero cases (and there are far more of them than those that have higher numbers) have no reason not to return to face to face school. Then you have the much larger districts in much high population areas, some with high levels of those infected and those with very low numbers. Point being, the discussion regarding returning to face to face school is a local discussion, not a State or National discussion. And, once again, the vast majority of school systems are located in areas that do not have a problem regarding this Virus!

Did no one notice that the Cold and Flu Season in North America ended two+ months earlier this Spring and the drop off was huge. Why? Because the use of masks, social distancing, etc... With the continuation of those practices, it is likely that the cold and flu uptick this Fall and Winter will likely be much lower than normal.

In the ugly background is a rarely mentioned reason for the spread of this Virus! The distribution of illegal drug trafficking! Specific to where I live, there as been a bump in outbreaks /hotspots that coincides with the flow of those drugs along specific routes, known distribution days and locations. But, our Governor refused to fund the costs of shutting down that distribution. Hmmm.

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

For the most part we're doing pretty good plague-wise..schools are open but only a couple days a week and for half a day then it's virtual learning. Our gov-nah extended his emergency executive order to February 9th now..masks to be worn wherever you go and restrictions apply..bar's(that also sell food) and restaurants are open to limited capacity with a lot of places with outside seating.
I went motorcycle riding with a buddy yesterday and we'd stop at a pub or two on our usual route. One place allowed us to sit at the bar where the other we had to go out to the patio. CT's stats are pretty good. Hospital admissions fluctuate..58..65..52..one death every few days..our positivity testing was .6 the other day but that fluctuates too..I haven't seen it go up to 1.2 in a long time. Still sucks no matter how you look at it.


Jim

 

[SailBoat]

For the most part we're doing pretty good plague-wise..schools are open but only a couple days a week and for half a day then it's virtual learning. Our gov-nah extended his emergency executive order to February 9th now..masks to be worn wherever you go and restrictions apply..bar's(that also sell food) and restaurants are open to limited capacity with a lot of places with outside seating.
I went motorcycle riding with a buddy yesterday and we'd stop at a pub or two on our usual route. One place allowed us to sit at the bar where the other we had to go out to the patio. CT's stats are pretty good. Hospital admissions fluctuate..58..65..52..one death every few days..our positivity testing was .6 the other day but that fluctuates too..I haven't seen it go up to 1.2 in a long time. Still sucks no matter how you look at it.

Jim

That is truly interesting that your governor also extended his 'control' until 9, February 2021, same date as Michigan. It will be very interesting to see how many other specific governor's do the same, even with their numbers crashing.

 

[Laurasea]

One thing I learned in school about the 1918 pandemic is that many deaths were sc caused by overdose of aspirin which was a new medicine at the time. It was prescribed at toxic levels ( not known at the time)

Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse
Date:
October 3, 2009
Source:
Infectious Diseases Society of America
Summary:
The devastation of the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic is well known, but a new article suggests a surprising factor in the high death toll: the misuse of aspirin. AThe article sounds a cautionary note as present day concerns about the novel H1N1 virus run high.

30 grams of asprin was prescribed daily, the maximum safe dose today is 4 grams.

"One hypothesis suggests that many flu deaths could actually be attributed to aspirin poisoning. Medical authorities at the time recommended large doses of aspirin of up to 30 grams per day. Today, about four grams would be considered the maximum safe daily dose. Large doses of aspirin can lead to many of the pandemic’s symptoms, including bleeding.

However, death rates seem to have been equally high in some places in the world where aspirin was not so readily available, so the debate continues." Smithsonian articles

The information I had years ago , more clearly blamed asprin toxicity.

Interesting , does that make this pandemic more serious? The world us nearing a million deaths due to Covid 19, true total likely higher as excess deaths ( above normal, and above those already attributed to coronavirus) are 100s of thousands over yearly base lines in many countries.

So basically I'm saying this pandemic still has my attention, and ne taking all precautions....except when I try snd spread the word about my lost Neptune

 

[Scott]

Amazing story Laura! Had no idea aspirin toxicity was a problem at that time.

 

[Squeekmouse]

Oooh I love it when I start my day off learning some new, interesting fact.

 

[SailBoat]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

 

[Scott]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

Got my flu shot yesterday! My mom and I are both Kaiser members, so she took the senior >65 high potency, standard for me. (age 61) I did a bit of research and found the hospitalization rate for seniors is reduced with high potency.

Kaiser runs out of high potency early, so I canvassed local pharmacies should that be necessary for her. Cash pricing is $40 for standard, $70 high potency. They direct bill Medicare, but not sure if she is eligible in lieu of Kaiser.

Without delving into politics, Kamala Harris expressed leeriness of covid vaccine if rushed into circulation by virtue of perceived electoral expediency. From what I read, she will gladly accept a fully vetted vaccine once cleared via Stage III trials. FWIW, nine global pharmaceuticals have jointly pledged to not submit a vaccine for FDA approval until all clinical testing completed.

 

[noodles123]

heck...I just told them I wanted a flu shot and they stuck me in the arm...no discussions of potency lol!

 

[Squeekmouse]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

It kinda reminds me of the movie Contagion where Jude Law's character was inciting people to not get vaccinated... On the other hand, everyone has a right to get vaccinated or not, however they like. Personally, I get the Flu vaccine every year and I think it's a great idea to get vaccinated against bad things if possible.

 

[SailBoat]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

Got my flu shot yesterday! My mom and I are both Kaiser members, so she took the senior >65 high potency, standard for me. (age 61) I did a bit of research and found the hospitalization rate for seniors is reduced with high potency.

Kaiser runs out of high potency early, so I canvassed local pharmacies should that be necessary for her. Cash pricing is $40 for standard, $70 high potency. They direct bill Medicare, but not sure if she is eligible in lieu of Kaiser.

Without delving into politics, Kamala Harris expressed leeriness of covid vaccine if rushed into circulation by virtue of perceived electoral expediency. From what I read, she will gladly accept a fully vetted vaccine once cleared via Stage III trials. FWIW, nine global pharmaceuticals have jointly pledged to not submit a vaccine for FDA approval until all clinical testing completed.

Okay, but I haven't seen anywhere that this specific set of vaccines (three) will not obtain proper Vetting. In fact, one of the three has been placed on-hold because of an abnormality. Regardless of politics, there is no logic to believe that proper safeguards are not in place.

The most dangerous concern is most Americans avoid vaccines, like 50%. Nothing more dangerous than someone professing 'leeriness' that is likely to encourage even more to avoid vaccines. Sadly, at the end of the day, more for the rest of us...

 

[noodles123]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

It kinda reminds me of the movie Contagion where Jude Law's character was inciting people to not get vaccinated... On the other hand, everyone has a right to get vaccinated or not, however they like. Personally, I get the Flu vaccine every year and I think it's a great idea to get vaccinated against bad things if possible.

Forsythia LOL...OH....that movie...it's my hell, but I bought it to watch during the pandemic. That's kind of how I think all of the time (in terms of how Gwenyth gets infected etc) but I hide it really well lol! Before we were closed, I covered my hands in a ton paint and handed out daily assignments/ touched my hair etc without commenting on it. Students were like "WHAT'S ON MY PAPER AND YOUR FACE AND YOUR HANDS?!?!" I was like, "what are you talking about? I don't see anything..." LOL-- hoping that stuck months later..just like germs, only they are invisible.

 

[Laurasea]

CDC has some demographics on age and death's from coronavirus, not quite current but from the first 125 thousand deaths in America. I could NOT copy do the below is from my memory not excact,

Age
18-25. About 1,500
25-35. About 3,500
45-55. About 9,500
55-65. About 22,500
65-75. About 37,400

 

[Scott]

heck...I just told them I wanted a flu shot and they stuck me in the arm...no discussions of potency lol!

They don't ask obvious spring chickens, just jab you in the arm with standard vaccination!

 

[Scott]

So, I got my 2020 /2021 Flu shot, which they are calling 'high-volume. Same volume as past years, its just that some insurance companies pay for this version, while others do not... The procedures are a major step-up over past years with a full wipe-down after the client exits. With all the CV-19 requirements in place, the cold and flu season will likely be lower this Fall.

Can anyone provide an understandable reason why an elected official running for Vice-President would state that she will not get a CV-19 Vaccine, if it is available this Fall? Well, how kind, more for the rest of us, I guess?

Got my flu shot yesterday! My mom and I are both Kaiser members, so she took the senior >65 high potency, standard for me. (age 61) I did a bit of research and found the hospitalization rate for seniors is reduced with high potency.

Kaiser runs out of high potency early, so I canvassed local pharmacies should that be necessary for her. Cash pricing is $40 for standard, $70 high potency. They direct bill Medicare, but not sure if she is eligible in lieu of Kaiser.

Without delving into politics, Kamala Harris expressed leeriness of covid vaccine if rushed into circulation by virtue of perceived electoral expediency. From what I read, she will gladly accept a fully vetted vaccine once cleared via Stage III trials. FWIW, nine global pharmaceuticals have jointly pledged to not submit a vaccine for FDA approval until all clinical testing completed.

Okay, but I haven't seen anywhere that this specific set of vaccines (three) will not obtain proper Vetting. In fact, one of the three has been placed on-hold because of an abnormality. Regardless of politics, there is no logic to believe that proper safeguards are not in place.

The most dangerous concern is most Americans avoid vaccines, like 50%. Nothing more dangerous than someone professing 'leeriness' that is likely to encourage even more to avoid vaccines. Sadly, at the end of the day, more for the rest of us...

There is concern about proper vetting by FDA in light of Hydroxychloroquine flip-flop and overt pressure to perform by "date certain" by a political operative. This is precisely why a coalition of 9 global pharmaceuticals made unprecedented pact to allay public fears.

 

[SailBoat]

Got my flu shot yesterday! My mom and I are both Kaiser members, so she took the senior >65 high potency, standard for me. (age 61) I did a bit of research and found the hospitalization rate for seniors is reduced with high potency.

Kaiser runs out of high potency early, so I canvassed local pharmacies should that be necessary for her. Cash pricing is $40 for standard, $70 high potency. They direct bill Medicare, but not sure if she is eligible in lieu of Kaiser.

Without delving into politics, Kamala Harris expressed leeriness of covid vaccine if rushed into circulation by virtue of perceived electoral expediency. From what I read, she will gladly accept a fully vetted vaccine once cleared via Stage III trials. FWIW, nine global pharmaceuticals have jointly pledged to not submit a vaccine for FDA approval until all clinical testing completed.

Okay, but I haven't seen anywhere that this specific set of vaccines (three) will not obtain proper Vetting. In fact, one of the three has been placed on-hold because of an abnormality. Regardless of politics, there is no logic to believe that proper safeguards are not in place.

The most dangerous concern is most Americans avoid vaccines, like 50%. Nothing more dangerous than someone professing 'leeriness' that is likely to encourage even more to avoid vaccines. Sadly, at the end of the day, more for the rest of us...

There is concern about proper vetting by FDA in light of Hydroxychloroquine flip-flop and overt pressure to perform by "date certain" by a political operative. This is precisely why a coalition of 9 global pharmaceuticals made unprecedented pact to allay public fears.

So very true and it makes my point precisely. There are true dangers when politics play with medical concerns and as a result Lives. I'm an Old Guy and sit in the "Danger Zone." At this point, let the cryers of "The Sky Is Fall" scream their message as it means, I can get the vaccine sooner and be freer (well as much as one can in Michigan).

The point that keeps getting loss in all this media noise is that even if the vaccine is approved in 'lets say October (an October surprise).' It will still be in mid first quarter 2021 before it will be available in any numbers.

The dangers that playing this game gets us little people is that the Masses will avoid getting a Vaccination even years in the future. That means, that even if the good guys win, the Virus is the true winner. Once that fear is set in place, it doesn't just go away just cause the good folks win. Long Game Point: We the people are stuck with this Virus long into the future because a critical mass is never obtained!

 

[Laurasea]

Noodles,
I too have been surprised at the mistruths and misdirection , and untrue way partial truths have been presented.

What is even harder for me to believe is how you can't web search true science on this anymore... or its very difficult to do so..... thats whats strikes true fear in my heart ..... as most of you know I've posted science on this since January...
Posted how 20% of sick in all age groups will need a hospital, that it's at least 5% fatal, that it is airborne, that people can have life long heart, lung and neurological damage even after recovering from a milder form of the disease.

I saw that the news is now talks about that some now that 1 in 5 of 18-24 age group will need a hospital, and 1 in 10 of that age group need a ventilation .... the news tonight sldo talked tgst up to 60% of people who need hospital care from thus will hsve neurological damage...that all countries have excess uncounted deaths

I don't know if all my earlier links are active, since I sure can't find that info when I search now.....

I had hoped trying go get the truth out earlier would help...but it mostly seems that the collective had just decided they dont care, they don't question...

Anyway I'm sorry you have a high risk job, and I know how scary and stressful that is. I know you know the precautions you can take, and are being as careful as you can be

They covered up nursing home cases and prison cases in the beginning of this and now they aren't wanting to report cases in schools either for the kids or the teachers. Very shady....

 

[Laurasea]

From the Lancet journal
" In short, total mortality is a key indicator of the COVID-19 effect; the excess total mortality in March and April, 2020, in Italy was substantial (ie, a total of over 45 000 deaths), corresponding to an overall excess about 60% greater than the number of officially registered COVID-19 deaths; there was a substantial under-registration of COVID-19 deaths in March, 2020, and a smaller under-registration in April, 2020; there was no residual excess total mortality in May, 2020, when COVID-19 deaths were probably over-registered."

Tho currently Italy is not having excess deaths.

Its very likely you could double the number of reported covid deaths in every country to get tge true total of deaths....every country has excess uncounted deaths

 

[SailBoat]

So, I have today, gotten my second COVID-19 test. The first on 2, May 2020, which was the deep swab and the second, today, being the short swab. Now having both, I prefer the deeper swab as the insert time is shorter and involve only one side where the shorter swab is both and for a longer period of time swabbing. I'll know by this Wednesday!

Regarding time, I was checked in, tested, and out the other side within ten minutes at most... Zero lines, zero delays...

So, I asked the question that seems to be the current hot button issue: "What age group do you test at this facility" They Test those 18 (on or after their 18th. Birthday and older). Those under 18 are require to visit the Lab (same place one goes to get blood work taken) to assure that proper permission is obtained by and that the 'child' is accompanied by an authorized adult. At the Lab, they test from infant to 17 years of age. In all cases from old people like me to an infant require a Doctor's approval as this facility does not handle walk-ins...

So much for children not being tested, well at least it is not a problem in Michigan! And, we are one of those States that are still in Lock Down until 9, February 2021!