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Why did he die though? It seems like a medical professional in his 30s with no known health issues should have survived (especially given his knowledge of the illness, potential access to supplies/co-workers and an international audience)...is that weird that I am curious? I feel like no one is asking...Yes---he should be respected/honored and all of the above-- I just don't get it...I know chance always plays a role, but seems strange....I am not trying to start something either--- I just feel like it hasn't been addressed at all.
 
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Plenty are asking. If a 30 something worked in a flu ward around critically ill flu patients and caught it, chances are he would not die. Very fishy.


Anthem of the Seas has 1 dead crewmember. Died last weekend with no symptoms of anything. Just didn't report for work and found him dead in an engineroom, nbc is reporting. Kept him in the fridge till they got to port, and sent him out for a "rush" autopsy. Doesn't seem related to coronavirus but proceeding in "abundance of caution".




Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............??????????


https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...on-virus-delayed-cruise-ship-sources/2282940/
 
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Dr Li most likely wouldn’t have died had he received prompt medical attention rather than being harangued by the regime for “spreading falsehoods” and whatever else he was accused of doing by the glorious Party!
 
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Why did he die though? It seems like a medical professional in his 30s with no known health issues should have survived (especially given his knowledge of the illness, potential access to supplies/co-workers and an international audience)...is that weird that I am curious? I feel like no one is asking...Yes---he should be respected/honored and all of the above-- I just don't get it...I know chance always plays a role, but seems strange....I am not trying to start something either--- I just feel like it hasn't been addressed at all.

Dr Li most likely wouldn’t have died had he received prompt medical attention rather than being harangued by the regime for “spreading falsehoods” and whatever else he was accused of doing by the glorious Party!

A pathology report on Dr. Li would be most revealing. Might bring a smidgen of relief in perverse manner if he had underlying conditions. But if perfectly healthy followed by quick demise, cages would rattle. in any case we're not going to find out.
 
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This new coronavirus is not hitting just older adults, JAMA said it's a concern for all. Of the outside of China cases the ones reported in serious condition are in their 30s, one in their 20's. This is showing the worst kind of influenza, the kind that hits the adult populations. Not very young children with immature immune system, not those of advanced age 70, 80, 90's with immune system in decline. Adults who's immune system are over responding. Though mentions of people in their 60's these are middle agedish.
But not enough is known, this is new.

I hate when seasonal influenza is compared, they are not the same thing so far. Seasonal influenza sucks sure, but it is only 0.01% fatal. This new virus is 2% fatal( actually slightly over 2% as we currently stand) fatal 20 times higher than seasonal influenza. With 20% infected requiring critical care. With some science showings as high as 14% fatal for those in Whuhan. ( Could be skewed as critical are getting tested more, and an overwhelmed health care system)

"Serious Cases of 30 year old patients in France

As of Jan. 29, according to French authorities, the conditions of the two earliest Paris cases had worsened and the patients were being treated in intensive care, according to French authorities. The patients have been described as a young couple aged 30 and 31 years old, both Chinese citizens from Wuhan who were asymptomatic when they arrived in Paris on January 18 [19]."

"Patient who died in the Philippines was a 44-year old male

The patient who died in the Philippines on February 2, in what was the first death occurring outside of China, was a 44-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan who was admitted on Jan. 25 after experiencing fever, cough, and sore throat, before developing severe pneumonia. In the last few days, “the patient was stable and showed signs of improvement, however, the condition of the patient deteriorated within his last 24 hours resulting in his demise." according to the Philippine Department of Health."
 
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Some good news: the 4 passengers tested from the Anthem of the Seas got back negative results. PHEW! Still no word on what happened to the crewman.
 
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Singapore is at 40 cases now and rising.

We're about half the size of Los Angeles (city, not county), with a population density of 8,136.78/sqkm.

In contrast, LA is the most densely populated city in the US at only 2,910/sqkm - nowhere near the density of Singapore.



Here's a decent map, thought it's only updated every couple of hours:
Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS
 
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My hopes and best wishes are with you and yours in Singapore charmed! It certainly would be disastrous if the corona virus was to take hold in a densely populated island like yours, I’m pretty sure even the health authorities in Singapore would be sorely tested.

It would seem the Year of the Rat has gotten off to an inauspicious start.
 
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Singapore is at 40 cases now and rising.

We're about half the size of Los Angeles (city, not county), with a population density of 8,136.78/sqkm.

In contrast, LA is the most densely populated city in the US at only 2,910/sqkm - nowhere near the density of Singapore.



Here's a decent map, thought it's only updated every couple of hours:
Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

That is scary. Rising numbers so fast, stay safe!



I saw this , at first I thought they are going to go after the people covering up the outbreak, get Justice for Dr. Li,.. and then medical crimes that can carry the death penalty. Like others I fear for the missing citizen journalist.
"It came as China is strengthening its approach to tackling the coronavirus.

In a joint statement Saturday, China's National Health Commission, Supreme Court and Ministry of Public Security announced seven "medical-related crimes" that would be severely punished during the epidemic.

They include attacking medical personnel, refusing medical checks and damaging or destroying property at medical facilities.
According to the statement, anyone who violates new virus control regulations will be quickly prosecuted and could face arrest, jail or even the death penalty."
 
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Florida has a case of coronavirus!!

But States don't have to release info? Why is this allowed, why the secrecy with this new virus?!


States are divided on how much information to share with the public about the rapidly spreading coronavirus, now with 28,000 confirmed cases in China and 12 in the U.S.

Coronavirus: Florida says it can’t reveal information, but experts disagree.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/f...0200207-zcyt7b7y7vg6lcs4js5ezjha3a-story.html

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200207/cerabino-sorry-coronavirus-in-florida-is-state-secret

As I found out and shared at the start of this thread, your state doesn't have to share info on coronavirus cases! We have seen how well that played out in Whuhan. I. Shocked that this is also happenings in the United States.

Since the number of PUI in CDC has is around 100 pending, I'm going out on a limb and saying we have 100 additional positive cases in the United States.

We release info on sexually transmitted diseases, like HIV, on communicable disease like Tuberculosis and seasonal influenza!!! So why the _____ are the states allowed to supress information on Coronavirus cases???? O thought we had freedom of speech here
 
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Science on data so far
Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Mortality Rate

Presented on this page:

How to correctly calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak
Mortality Rate (2.1% Nationwide, 4.9% Wuhan, 3.1% Hubei, and 0.16% other provinces) by the NHC of China
Mortality Rate comments by the WHO (2% estimate, but too early to tell)
Study providing a tentative mortality rate of 3%
Death rate among patients admitted to hospital (HFR)
Days from first symptom to death
Comparison with other viruses
How to correctly calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak
The case fatality rate (CFR) represents the proportion of cases who eventually die from a disease.

Once an epidemic has ended, it is calculated with the formula: deaths / cases.

But while an epidemic is still ongoing, as it is the case with the current novel coronavirus outbreak, this formula is, at the very least, "naïve" and can be "misleading if, at the time of analysis, the outcome is unknown for a non negligible proportion of patients." [8]

(Methods for Estimating the Case Fatality Ratio for a Novel, Emerging Infectious Disease - Ghani et al, American Journal of Epidemiology).

In other words, current deaths belong to a total case figure of the past, not to the current case figure in which the outcome (recovery or death) of a proportion (the most recent cases) hasn't yet been determined.

The correct formula, therefore, would appear to be:

CFR = deaths at day.x / cases at day.x-{T}
(where T = average time period from case confirmation to death)

This would constitute a fair attempt to use values for cases and deaths belonging to the same group of patients.

One issue can be that of determining whether there is enough data to estimate T with any precision, but it is certainly not T = 0 (what is implicitly used when applying the formula current deaths / current cases to determine CFR during an ongoing outbreak).

Let's take, for example, the data at the end of February 8, 2020: 813 deaths (cumulative total) and 37,552 cases (cumulative total) worldwide.

If we use the flawed formula (deaths / cases) we get:

813 / 37,552 = 2.2% CFR (flawed formula).

Instead, even with a conservative estimate of T = 7 days as the average period from case confirmation to death, we would correct the above formula by using February 1 cumulative cases, which were 14,381, in the denominator:

Feb. 8 deaths / Feb. 1 cases = 813 / 14,381 = 5.7% CFR (correct formula, and estimating T=7).

An alternative method, which has the advantage of not having to estimate a variable, and that is mentioned in the American Journal of Epidemiology study cited previously as a simple method that nevertheless could work reasonably well if the hazards of death and recovery at any time t measured from admission to the hospital, conditional on an event occurring at time t, are proportional, would be to use the formula:

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

which, with the latest data available, would be equal to:

815 / (815 + 2,990) = 21% CFR (worldwide)

If we now exclude cases in mainland China, using current data on deaths and recovered cases, we get:

2 / (2 + 42) = 4.5% CFR (outside of mainland China)

The sample size above is extremely limited, but this initial discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China, especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency.

As the days go by and the city organizes its efforts and builds the infrastructure, the ability to detect and confirm cases should improve. As of February 3, for example, the novel coronavirus nucleic acid testing capability of Wuhan had increased to 4,196 samples per day from an initial 200 samples.[10]

A similar discrepancy in case mortality rate can be observed when comparing mortality rates, as calculated and reported by China NHC: a CFR of 3.1% in the Hubei province (where Wuhan, with the vast majority of deaths is situated), and a CFR of 0.16% in other provinces (19 times less).

Finally, we shall remember that while the 2003 SARS epidemic was still ongoing, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported a fatality rate of 4% (or as low as 3%), whereas the final case fatality rate ended up being 9.6%.

Novel Coronavirus Mortality Rate, as discussed by the National Health Commission (NHC) of China
Asked at a press conference on February 4 what the current mortality rate (or case fatality rate, CFR) is, an official with China NHC said that [7]:

The formula they are using is: cumulative current total deaths / current confirmed cases. Therefore, as of 24:00 on Feb. 3, the formula used was 425/20,438.
Based on this figure, the national mortality rate to date was 2.1% of confirmed cases.
There might be mild cases and other cases not reported.
97% of the country's total deaths (414) were in the Hubei Province.
Mortality rate in Wuhan was 4.9%.
Mortality rate in the Hubei Province was 3.1%.
Mortality rate nationwide was 2.1%.
Fatality rate in other provinces was 0.16%.
Deaths in Wuhan were 313, accounting for 74% of China's total.
Most of the cases were still mild cases, therefore there was no need to panic.
Asked why Wuhan was so much higher than the national level, the NHC official replied that it was for lack of resources, citing as an example that there were only 110 critical care beds in the three designated hospitals where most of the cases were sent.
National mortality rate was basically stable, as of Feb. 4 at 2.1%, and it was 2.3% at the beginning of the epidemic, which can be seen as a slight decline.
Front the analysis of death cases, it emerged that the demographic profile was mainly male, accounting for 2/3, females accounting for 1/3, and is mainly elderly, more than 80% are elderly over 60 years old, and more than 75% had underlying diseases present such as cardiovascular and cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and, in some cases, tumor.
Elderly people with basic diseases, as long as they have pneumonia, were clinically a high-risk factor regardless of whether it is a coronavirus or not, and the case fatality rate was also very high, so it is not that the case fatality rate of pneumonia is high because of the infection with the new coronavirus. "This point must be explained to everyone," concluded the NHC official.[7]
World Health Organization: too early to make conclusive statements
The World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29, 2020[1][2]. However, they specified that this is a very early and provisional estimate that may change. Surveillance is increasing, within China but also globally, but at the moment:

We don't know how many were infected ("When you look at how many people have died, you need to look at how many people where infected, and right now we don't know that number. So it is early to put a percentage on that."[1][2]).
The only number currently known is how many people have died out of those who have been reported to the WHO.
It is therefore very early to make any conclusive statements about what the overall mortality rate will be for the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization [1][2].


Preliminary study providing a tentative 3% estimate for case fatality rate
A preliminary study published on The Lancet on January 24 [3] provides an early estimation of 3% for the overall case fatality rate. Below we show an extract (highlights added for the relevant data and observations):

Of the 41 patients in this cohort, 22 (55%) developed severe dyspnoea and 13 (32%) required admission to an intensive care unit, and six died.

Hence, the case-fatality proportion in this cohort is approximately 14.6%, and the overall case fatality proportion appears to be closer to 3%.

However, both of these estimates should be treated with great caution because not all patients have concluded their illness (ie, recovered or died) and the true number of infections and full disease spectrum are unknown.

Importantly, in emerging viral infection outbreaks the case-fatality ratio is often overestimated in the early stages because case detection is highly biased towards the more severe cases.

As further data on the spectrum of mild or asymptomatic infection becomes available, one case of which was documented by Chan and colleagues, the case-fatality ratio is likely to decrease.

Nevertheless, the 1918 influenza pandemic is estimated to have had a case-fatality ratio of less than 5% but had an enormous impact due to widespread transmission, so there is no room for complacency.
A novel coronavirus outbreak of global health concern - Chen Wang et al., The Lancet. January 24, 2020

Fatality rate can also change as a virus can mutate, according to epidemiologists.
 
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Please understand the following is perspective and not intended to diminish the impact or potential future carnage of Novel Coronavirus. A good friend who is a family practice MD stated the following during online discussion of 2019-nCoV. Commentary references the U.S, not a locus of indigenous outbreak.

"Meanwhile, about 12,000 Americans have already died this season from the influenza virus. Par for the course. Every. Single. F******. Year."

"That's not to diminish the concern about 2019-nCoV, but freaking out this outbreak is like being scared of being struck by lightning but not wearing your seatbelt."

One of his friends just buried a 16 year old daughter who died of influenza 3 weeks ago. "Not vaccinated is our suspicion given how fast she deteriorated. Diagnosed with a positive flu test on Thursday, died on Saturday. Has even seasoned physicians like myself who know the family pretty rattled."
 
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There is so much shady stuff with the whole wuhan situation. The virus is as infectious as the common flu with an incubation period of 2 weeks(where they also infectious) and china is gonna make us believe only 15 thousands are infected in a city with 11 million people? Tencent "accidentally" displayed briefly the "wrong" number of infected and deaths, where the number of infected was actually in the region of 150k and deaths was already up at 25k(and the corrected number was only 304). Maybe it was a mistake typo, or maybe they're operating with 2 separate data info and the real data "got accidentally shown", China is known for lying anyway so hard to know the real situation.

From what I heard from a contact I have in that area, the whole town is currently on lock down with the army involved and people are being caged in their own homes and some even get thrown into big large cubes on trucks where you hear them scream from the inside, covered up that a healthy doctor (not old or any weakened pre-existing conditions, it was the doctor that warned people of the virus but got silenced by the authorities) that that got sick had died to their own citizens (i have a chinese contact in that area who said on her news in that area that they claimed the doctor is still alive while news of him being dead spreads around elsewhere) and so on. They would not go this far just for 15k infected, so I will not be surprised it turns out the whole thing is much worse than what they claim it is? I suspect it more in the region of 150k and deaths was already up at 25k.

Remember last year when you sneezed and a communist government quarantined 100 million people? Remember when you got a new variant of the flu that coincidentally started right next door to a china made level 4 security building where they were bio-engineering new strains of the flu for use as a bio-weapon? Remember when you got the sniffles and china started building concentration camps to "quarantine" you and your entire sniffle squad? All of these "its just a flu"! The real scariest part of this virus is the way china is handling it. China is the closest thing to north korea.

To make it short sweet and simple, "this is still likely not a doomsday virus". Various types of flu kill in the region of 700,000 people a year, every year. Corona virus isn't even a blip on the radar even with the under reported numbers that China is covering up. The way China is handling it, we will never know the full truth till it to late if it was much worst?
 
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I have a friend who won't take the seasonal flu vaccine because she says if it don't cover the virus circulating it won't do any good for protection. Then when she gets sick she cries and says she hates being sick. Well I take the vaccine every year and only minimally have a reaction to it. I'm more afraid to not take it.
 
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Science on data so far
Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Mortality Rate

Presented on this page:

How to correctly calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak
Mortality Rate (2.1% Nationwide, 4.9% Wuhan, 3.1% Hubei, and 0.16% other provinces) by the NHC of China
Mortality Rate comments by the WHO (2% estimate, but too early to tell)
Study providing a tentative mortality rate of 3%
Death rate among patients admitted to hospital (HFR)
Days from first symptom to death
Comparison with other viruses
How to correctly calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak
The case fatality rate (CFR) represents the proportion of cases who eventually die from a disease.

Once an epidemic has ended, it is calculated with the formula: deaths / cases.

But while an epidemic is still ongoing, as it is the case with the current novel coronavirus outbreak, this formula is, at the very least, "naïve" and can be "misleading if, at the time of analysis, the outcome is unknown for a non negligible proportion of patients." [8]

(Methods for Estimating the Case Fatality Ratio for a Novel, Emerging Infectious Disease - Ghani et al, American Journal of Epidemiology).

In other words, current deaths belong to a total case figure of the past, not to the current case figure in which the outcome (recovery or death) of a proportion (the most recent cases) hasn't yet been determined.

The correct formula, therefore, would appear to be:

CFR = deaths at day.x / cases at day.x-{T}
(where T = average time period from case confirmation to death)

This would constitute a fair attempt to use values for cases and deaths belonging to the same group of patients.

One issue can be that of determining whether there is enough data to estimate T with any precision, but it is certainly not T = 0 (what is implicitly used when applying the formula current deaths / current cases to determine CFR during an ongoing outbreak).

Let's take, for example, the data at the end of February 8, 2020: 813 deaths (cumulative total) and 37,552 cases (cumulative total) worldwide.

If we use the flawed formula (deaths / cases) we get:

813 / 37,552 = 2.2% CFR (flawed formula).

Instead, even with a conservative estimate of T = 7 days as the average period from case confirmation to death, we would correct the above formula by using February 1 cumulative cases, which were 14,381, in the denominator:

Feb. 8 deaths / Feb. 1 cases = 813 / 14,381 = 5.7% CFR (correct formula, and estimating T=7).

An alternative method, which has the advantage of not having to estimate a variable, and that is mentioned in the American Journal of Epidemiology study cited previously as a simple method that nevertheless could work reasonably well if the hazards of death and recovery at any time t measured from admission to the hospital, conditional on an event occurring at time t, are proportional, would be to use the formula:

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

which, with the latest data available, would be equal to:

815 / (815 + 2,990) = 21% CFR (worldwide)

If we now exclude cases in mainland China, using current data on deaths and recovered cases, we get:

2 / (2 + 42) = 4.5% CFR (outside of mainland China)

The sample size above is extremely limited, but this initial discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China, especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency.

As the days go by and the city organizes its efforts and builds the infrastructure, the ability to detect and confirm cases should improve. As of February 3, for example, the novel coronavirus nucleic acid testing capability of Wuhan had increased to 4,196 samples per day from an initial 200 samples.[10]

A similar discrepancy in case mortality rate can be observed when comparing mortality rates, as calculated and reported by China NHC: a CFR of 3.1% in the Hubei province (where Wuhan, with the vast majority of deaths is situated), and a CFR of 0.16% in other provinces (19 times less).

Finally, we shall remember that while the 2003 SARS epidemic was still ongoing, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported a fatality rate of 4% (or as low as 3%), whereas the final case fatality rate ended up being 9.6%.

Novel Coronavirus Mortality Rate, as discussed by the National Health Commission (NHC) of China
Asked at a press conference on February 4 what the current mortality rate (or case fatality rate, CFR) is, an official with China NHC said that [7]:

The formula they are using is: cumulative current total deaths / current confirmed cases. Therefore, as of 24:00 on Feb. 3, the formula used was 425/20,438.
Based on this figure, the national mortality rate to date was 2.1% of confirmed cases.
There might be mild cases and other cases not reported.
97% of the country's total deaths (414) were in the Hubei Province.
Mortality rate in Wuhan was 4.9%.
Mortality rate in the Hubei Province was 3.1%.
Mortality rate nationwide was 2.1%.
Fatality rate in other provinces was 0.16%.
Deaths in Wuhan were 313, accounting for 74% of China's total.
Most of the cases were still mild cases, therefore there was no need to panic.
Asked why Wuhan was so much higher than the national level, the NHC official replied that it was for lack of resources, citing as an example that there were only 110 critical care beds in the three designated hospitals where most of the cases were sent.
National mortality rate was basically stable, as of Feb. 4 at 2.1%, and it was 2.3% at the beginning of the epidemic, which can be seen as a slight decline.
Front the analysis of death cases, it emerged that the demographic profile was mainly male, accounting for 2/3, females accounting for 1/3, and is mainly elderly, more than 80% are elderly over 60 years old, and more than 75% had underlying diseases present such as cardiovascular and cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and, in some cases, tumor.
Elderly people with basic diseases, as long as they have pneumonia, were clinically a high-risk factor regardless of whether it is a coronavirus or not, and the case fatality rate was also very high, so it is not that the case fatality rate of pneumonia is high because of the infection with the new coronavirus. "This point must be explained to everyone," concluded the NHC official.[7]
World Health Organization: too early to make conclusive statements
The World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29, 2020[1][2]. However, they specified that this is a very early and provisional estimate that may change. Surveillance is increasing, within China but also globally, but at the moment:

We don't know how many were infected ("When you look at how many people have died, you need to look at how many people where infected, and right now we don't know that number. So it is early to put a percentage on that."[1][2]).
The only number currently known is how many people have died out of those who have been reported to the WHO.
It is therefore very early to make any conclusive statements about what the overall mortality rate will be for the novel coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization [1][2].


Preliminary study providing a tentative 3% estimate for case fatality rate
A preliminary study published on The Lancet on January 24 [3] provides an early estimation of 3% for the overall case fatality rate. Below we show an extract (highlights added for the relevant data and observations):

Of the 41 patients in this cohort, 22 (55%) developed severe dyspnoea and 13 (32%) required admission to an intensive care unit, and six died.

Hence, the case-fatality proportion in this cohort is approximately 14.6%, and the overall case fatality proportion appears to be closer to 3%.

However, both of these estimates should be treated with great caution because not all patients have concluded their illness (ie, recovered or died) and the true number of infections and full disease spectrum are unknown.

Importantly, in emerging viral infection outbreaks the case-fatality ratio is often overestimated in the early stages because case detection is highly biased towards the more severe cases.

As further data on the spectrum of mild or asymptomatic infection becomes available, one case of which was documented by Chan and colleagues, the case-fatality ratio is likely to decrease.

Nevertheless, the 1918 influenza pandemic is estimated to have had a case-fatality ratio of less than 5% but had an enormous impact due to widespread transmission, so there is no room for complacency.
A novel coronavirus outbreak of global health concern - Chen Wang et al., The Lancet. January 24, 2020

Fatality rate can also change as a virus can mutate, according to epidemiologists.


The real data is likely much higher, more like 150k infected and deaths was already up at 25k?
 
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I have a friend who won't take the seasonal flu vaccine because she says if it don't cover the virus circulating it won't do any good for protection. Then when she gets sick she cries and says she hates being sick. Well I take the vaccine every year and only minimally have a reaction to it. I'm more afraid to not take it.

Flu vaccines protect against three or four strains of influenza. Typically, there is a "halo effect" that reduces the severity and duration of flu from an uncovered strain. So even if the scientists "guess wrong" you are better off with the vaccine. More than you ever wanted to learn about influenza from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
 
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Typically, there is a "halo effect" that reduces the severity and duration of flu

This " Halo effect" also protects me, and people like me who can't get the flu vaccine.

I read a report from a doctor in Africa, and they are and do deal with diseases that have a much much higher fatality rate. So the coronavirus isn't that impressive to him ( with exception) I think he said they are seeing Ebola cases in the Congo right now, a few cases of monkey pox( close to small pox) , yellow fever and what not. ( Exception) But he says the way the new coronavirus spreads before symptoms, so the sheer numbers that could become infected would be very hard on African nations resources. They don't have the ability to quarantine, and test large numbers as a poorer country, he said. And even with a low mortality rate, if enough people become infected, that's a lot of loss of life.
 
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Well, with so much talk about the flu, I elected to try a smaller version of it, The much underreported 24 /48 hour flu, more commonly seen as food poisoning.

I can report that it sucks and that if hospital became a must, I would not have been able to make that happen without help! Yes, Mrs. Boats would have support (made) me go... There is no question in my mind that there are individuals possible entire families in China with the virus who are unable to to get help.

Mind fog is overwhelming and naps are common place...

I did find that I'm owned by a Care Parrot as our Julio has been watching over me and providing concerned support. Gotta Love It!
 
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Ohhh feel better! Poor thing!

Yes the reported cases are tip of the iceberg,I believe I saw that China has 180,000 who are sick and backlogged on tests, but tho o this k was a trusted source , I can't rember...

WHO gets there Today, hopefully they can offer help..

Edit: every other country who has evacuated even just a handful of their Nationals from China has had positive cases in their quarantine people. We have evacuated hundreds or even 1000, yet we have no cases in are quarantine people??? I very much doubt that!! Plus as makes me mad and I keep saying each state health department can decide to or not to release positive cases of the new coronavirus! I thought maybe they were waiting till after the Superbowl, and Oscar's to release info in new cases..... But we also have the big car races coming up,..... nothing must stop profit or we Can't Handle the Truth syndrome....I didn't know... Other countries can test in hours or a day, yet we still have 100 of PIU ( people under investigatio..) on CDC website. Not that I think we have spreading cases in the US.
Singapore on the other hand is being completely transperant.

New study releases from China, ups the incubation time from 1- 24 days, two weeks longer than previously thought.
 
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My phone is being extra stupid lately so I am having trouble interacting here. 135 confirmed now on Diamond Princess. Very high S02 over Wuhan detected by satellite atmospheric analysis, raising the question of *why* if only 900 something dead.

It is confirmed airborne, and can survive on surfaces up to 9 days, tho 5-6 more typical. Cold weather does not kill it on surfaces. WHO reporting the cases seen out of China may just be "tip of iceberg".



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...f-the-iceberg-outside-china-who-idUSKBN20402G

https://apnews.com/0c2e9fbc70d05351c5534f82cbb3d2c3


Honestly this is looking more and more concerning. Stay safe, everyone!


Eta: China saying saliva, urine, feces infectious. Also contact transmission, surface transmission. Rumors may be transmissable via dogs and cats, but no confirmation of this. Have heard areas of China are calling for people to kill their pets or surrender them to be killed, but no confirmation on this. Have also heard rumblings of maybe DDT being in the mix being sprayed, but no confirmation. I cannot even imagine how horrible this could get if can be spread by insects.
 
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