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What the...?! New reports that the incubation period may be as long as 42 days!?? EDIT: This may not be from a reliable source. Looking into it, this was posted by a tabloid paper under "China Daily" association. PHEW.


Official death toll over 1000 now, and 45 cases in Singapore.



I don't even know what to say. This is quite upsetting. I hope you all are taking this seriously and doing things to stay healthy and safe!
 
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If true, the smog over the city being from cremated humans, that's so terrible, and unimaginable how the people must feel knowing it's their loved ones and freinds and communitie members!

There have been several ( true/ not true?) Reports that the crematorims are running 24/7 and have been since December.....with one worker claiming they do over 100 a day at just one of the places...

The two missing citizen journalist breaks my heart. And the footage that leaks out is terrible and what the people must be going through....

I had read a Chinese scientific report claim up to 24 days incubation period, but it has sense been pulled, WHO acknowledge the report, but feels it may get reflect a second exposure, and is standing by the 14 day incubation period. But as I posted earlier in the thread seasonal influenza can still be infective 30 days after symptoms stop , and I cited scientific studies , and NIH sndvCDC that back that up.

I wish world journalist were allowed to cover this, and the people could speak and be heard about their experience with this outbreak. The fear rises when facts are obscured, and the in country response is so massive. Our own country has only just released that we have a new case in one of the quarantine evacuated, and that he tested positive six days ago......so we aren't being transperant either. CDC still lists 68 pending testing, this number hadn't changed in many days or longer, yet testing can be done quickly, and other countries can test hundreds or thousands daily. . Hmmm

I praise Singapore for their transperancy, they post real time info on each case, the level of their illness, and places they have been for tracking exposure, and the connections between cases. Their openness makes their citizens feel safer, as it is the darkness that fear hides!
 
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https://abc7.com/amp/5920037/

" The Miramar group at first was also thought to be free of coronavirus. Four individuals had been isolated in a hospital after showing symptoms, but on Sunday federal health officials said they had tested negative and they were sent back to the base.


" On Monday morning, however, officials with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informed county health officials that "further testing revealed that one of the four patients tested positive" for novel coronavirus and the person was returned to hospital isolation, UC San Diego Health said."


So, false negative tests may be a thing?
 
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Yes, sneaky darn virus.

A day after a team of World Health Organization (WHO) medical experts arrived in China to help investigate the deadly coronavirus outbreak, the health agency’s director said the virus poses “a very grave threat for the rest of the world.”

Not what I wanted to hear WHO...
Is it more easily transmitted , or does it have a higher mortality rate?!
 
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Is it more easily transmitted , or does it have a higher mortality rate?!




..... my fear is: yes.



To both. I saw a video posted to twitter with 3 small children being placed in the same body bag because they are running so low on such supplies. Not verified, obviously, but *nothing* coming from China looks like business as usual at this point. Nothing coming from China is people saying the world is overreacting. Only things saying the world is UNDER reacting.



I don't even have a twitter account but I'm following multiple hashtags there... things don't look good. TARFUN to FUBAR
 
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Thing is the number are way higher then what getting reported. The real data is around 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths and from what I hear, they are covering it up and from a good source hearing now the Wuhan Coronavirus Death Toll Is Over 50,000. Likely the numbers are now 1.5 Million Coronavirus Cases In China, 50,000 Coronavirus Deaths In Wuhan alone? Plus the fact Chinese crematories are operating at 4-5 times the normal rate, minimum. Only 8 out of 116 are counted as official death from before, they are covering up majorly. The 49 crematoriums in Wuhan, and they’ve been working 24/7 for 17 days?


They would not go this far just for 15k, or 43k infected. Literally everything at a standstill over there? They are losing billions and I know as parts I ordered since Jan 27 and other gear I order from that area has yet to ship with no one emailing back on support from a very large supplier? It way more serious then they are letting on to this time around? One thing I know is China won't risk mass layoffs and losing profit if it wasn't serious? So now I am worry as this time do suspect it way more serious?
 
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Is it more easily transmitted , or does it have a higher mortality rate?!




..... my fear is: yes.



To both. I saw a video posted to twitter with 3 small children being placed in the same body bag because they are running so low on such supplies. Not verified, obviously, but *nothing* coming from China looks like business as usual at this point. Nothing coming from China is people saying the world is overreacting. Only things saying the world is UNDER reacting.



I don't even have a twitter account but I'm following multiple hashtags there... things don't look good. TARFUN to FUBAR

Death Toll Is Over 50,000 and now suspected infected is 1.5 million, it is way worst then they are letting on.
 
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I'm genuinely scared of this thing. Even with our isolation and a stash of supplies, I feel very vulnerable. I am afraid for the world, and for my family. Many of my family are not taking this seriously at all, despite my husband and I trying to keep them informed. They won't even let us mail them some masks just in case. And my husband's brother(the one married to the girl in Shanghai) point blank refuses to talk about how she is, even when directly asked. God only knows what that means; maybe he has lost contact. I hope she is OK.
 
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I'm genuinely scared of this thing. Even with our isolation and a stash of supplies, I feel very vulnerable. I am afraid for the world, and for my family. Many of my family are not taking this seriously at all, despite my husband and I trying to keep them informed. They won't even let us mail them some masks just in case. And my husband's brother(the one married to the girl in Shanghai) point blank refuses to talk about how she is, even when directly asked. God only knows what that means; maybe he has lost contact. I hope she is OK.

The problem is they are covering it up big time and police are getting involve with anyone trying to tell the truth. Literally China’s economy is grinding to a halt, it a ghost town as seen the real videos from a few people I know in the area. Plus I order parts and work with a couple suppliers in that area and everything is shutdown even after the 10th when the president was going to allow work to resume to prevent massive layoffs. It is way more serious then they are letting out.

Yes the police are censoring people big time. That why I not going to mention names of sources and videos as don't want something to happen to them, but it is 1.5 million suspected infected and over 50k dead now and over 180k confirmed infected, way higher then the official numbers.
 
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Is it more easily transmitted , or does it have a higher mortality rate?!




..... my fear is: yes.



To both. I saw a video posted to twitter with 3 small children being placed in the same body bag because they are running so low on such supplies. Not verified, obviously, but *nothing* coming from China looks like business as usual at this point. Nothing coming from China is people saying the world is overreacting. Only things saying the world is UNDER reacting.



I don't even have a twitter account but I'm following multiple hashtags there... things don't look good. TARFUN to FUBAR

Death Toll Is Over 50,000 and now suspected infected is 1.5 million, it is way worst then they are letting on.

I agree, I'm they admitted to rounding up any one who might be, or has been near infected as part of the war on the virus. The stories and leaked photos of and video are seriously upsetting.

Plus epidemiologist in mid January were already saying numbers don't match, that if it was like other flu outbreaks it would be 80,000 infected back then , with exponential growth every few days.... With 70 million people locked down and only allowed out of the house every 2-5 days....and they've been on lockdown over 2 weeks ........I feel for all these people, and I fear for their safety..
 
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They have to get those people off that cruise ship in Japan and into a different type of quarantine!!! A bump of 39 cases, plus one of the officials collecting forms( and I am sure was wearing a mask and gloves if not more!) How infective is this virus!?!
Do they need full level 4 containment suits with it's own oxygenation?;?!

I'm starting to buy into the bioterrorism or weaponized virus, for Pete's sake. I original thought that was wacko...but now.....

Plus China changed how they count, now not who tests positive, but only those who are sick and test positive! Ugh...

40 new cases on the Diamond Princess
Japan’s health ministry says that 39 more people on board the cruise ship have been confirmed as having the coronavirus. In addition, a quarantine official who was collecting forms on the ship has been infected.
Katsunobu Kato said the total of people infected on the ship was now 174. Four are in a serious condition.
Out of 53 new test results [on passengers and crew], 39 people were found positive.
At this point, we have confirmed that four people, among those who are hospitalised, are in a serious condition, either on a ventilator or in an intensive care unit.
Updated at 19:28 EST
19:24 EST
We have to careful with the figures, but it looks like good news today with a discernible fall in the rate of deaths and the spread of the disease in China.
There were 95 deaths reported overnight according to health officials and Chinese news sites. That’s down from 116 reported for Monday - a drop of 22%.
New cases reported for the Chinese mainland on Tuesday is 1,696. That is down from a peak of over 3,000 new cases on 4 February and the lowest number of new infections since 1,347 were reported on 31 January.
JOHNS
The latest figures as collated by the folks at Johns Hopkins University. Photograph: Johns Hopkins CSSE
However, we have to treat the new cases with a dose of scepticism as Chinese authorities appeared yesterday to change the way these were counted. Previously anyone diagnosed with the virus was included as a new case, but from now on only people with symptoms of the infection are included in the number. (See yesterday’s blog here)
 
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China just released 14,ooo new case!!! And 245 deaths today!!!!

From London
"We are estimating that about 50,000 new infections per day are occurring in China. [...] It will probably peak in its epicenter, Wuhan, in about one month time; maybe a month or two later in the whole of China. The rest of the world will see epidemics at various times after that. (EXPAND FOR VIDEO)
Prof. Niall Ferguson
Director, Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics (J-IDEA)
Imperial College, London Feb. 6, 2020"

I hope that means the mortality % would drop if all those cases factored in. But so far the outside of China Data still shows high percentage critical.
 
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Locally, we have three individuals that 'recently' returned from China and are locked down in their homes for fourteen days. So, will report if anything changes over the coming days.
 
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New case in California evacuated, but 7 in hospital pending verification. All have been under the 14 day quarantine, so this isn't person to person in general population.
 
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………I'm starting to buy into the bioterrorism or weaponized virus, for Pete's sake. I original thought that was wacko...but now.....

There are very powerful people/groups that strongly believe in a ‘For the better good’ approach! This is part of the deliberate diversions taking place in the USA!
Unfortunately, a culling of the world population is part of the agenda!
Also, remember, in a crisis, folks are much more willing to give up their rights/ freedoms!
 
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A very good article here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51480613

I'll just highlight some key parts.

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Steps Singapore is taking
At home, Singapore is stepping up its coronavirus response by taking extreme measures.

It immediately understood the implications of spread in a densely-populated city. Indeed, eight of the 50 cases reported so far have no known links to clusters that had been in contact with Chinese travellers from Wuhan. That is likely to be of concern because it means the linking cases out there could yet pass on the illness to others.

That's why Singapore has put in place a highly sophisticated contact tracing mechanism to hunt down every known possible contact of those infected so they can be quarantined or monitored.

It was the first country after North Korea and Russia to shut its borders to China and has enforced a strict 14-day leave of absence for Chinese nationals returning from the mainland who are permanent residents or have work permits

It has a zero tolerance approach to any breaches of the measures it has put in - and this is of comfort to many Singaporeans. Employees caught breaking isolation rules saw their work permits revoked and were barred from working in Singapore permanently.

Meanwhile, their employers have been banned from hiring foreigners for two years.

Singapore also distributed masks to more than a million households and has started a government-run WhatsApp group that provides daily updates to subscribers on the number of infected.

It's even cleared out university dorms to make room for quarantined patients, a move that was executed so quickly it took students by surprise.

Panic buying, shortage of masks

But while the measures have been applauded by international health experts, Singaporeans themselves have not always bought the government's messaging.

Social media comments show many Singaporeans don't believe the government's advice to wear masks only when you're unwell, suspecting a shortage of masks instead.

Many also complained Singapore didn't close borders to China soon enough.

And when authorities raised the health alert level last week, indicating the spread of the disease was severe, scores of Singaporeans rushed to the supermarkets to stock up on rice, instant noodles and toilet paper, worried the country was going into lockdown.

The panic abated only when Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong released a recorded message assuring his citizens there were more than enough supplies.

This level of control is only achievable in Singapore because of its centralised form of decision-making and the massive parliamentary majority the ruling party enjoys.

There are also strict restrictions on what you can say in the public domain about the coronavirus, with the country's anti-fake news law being used to curtail the spread of misinformation.

Lessons from Sars

Still, the main reason Singapore can move fast and quickly to fight the coronavirus is because it's so small, and it is clear that there is a plan in place - one that has been crafted from the harsh lessons of the Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) crisis in 2002-2003.

"You would see your colleagues one day at lunch, and then a few days later, you would hear that they are in the ICU, or worse - dead," says Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases specialist.

A Sars survivor, he was on the frontline treating people with the illness in a period that, he says, "scarred and traumatised Singaporeans".

Some 238 people were infected and 33 lost their lives.

"We are such a vulnerable country, so small and well-connected," Dr Leong says.

"You could have a disease one day in China, or anywhere else in the world, and the next minute it could be in Singapore. Containment is actually unrealistic, I don't think China will be able to control it.

"I think a weakened form of the virus will emerge, like a common cold. That will be the eventuality of this virus."

Singapore has no choice but to be extra vigilant and transparent in its fight against this deadly disease. This country is dependent on the rest of the world for its economy, for its food, for its lifeline.

Its strict containment methods managed to stamp out Sars but in the last 10 years Singapore has become more - not less - integrated into the global economy, and more closely tied to China.

The stakes are much higher this time.


It's actually now 58 cases at the moment, but most of the new ones have clear connections to, say, the churches and workplaces with known cases.

Some other context:
- Because Singapore is so small, even if your university is on the other side of the country, it'll take at most 1 hour and 45 minutes to commute there.
- The government gave out 4 masks per household with instructions to only wear if you yourself have symptoms, not if you are asymptomatic. There are have been infographics going around on how to wear them properly.
- The reason for the toilet paper is because many people saw what happened in Hong Kong. HK's supply of toilet paper is often from China, which means lockdown and stocking at home would cause a shortage of toilet paper. That is not the case for Singapore as we import ours from other countries, not China.

The government has been out in full force with social media, constantly posting pictures from individual politicians' profiles about the effort different sectors are taking.



One thing I want to highlight
Our healthcare staff - they have been amazing. They have given up previously approved leave, given up even their own weddings, worked overtime relentlessly. Unfortunately ignorance means that some older folks have tried kicking them off public transport when they are in their uniforms. They, the ones here in Singapore and in Wuhan (the girls shaving their heads, the woman whose mother passed away but she continued working), deserve so much love and respect and support for all they do.


As for a small personal update, the virus is getting quite close. Luckily the government will be paying for all hospitalisation costs of those hospitalised for COVID-19.

I do have a friend whom I haven't seen for years (haven't seen most of my American friends for over 8 years now) who wants to visit. Unfortunately, I'll be advising him to stay away for now as I don't anticipate it'll even have peaked by the time he plans to visit..
 
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………I'm starting to buy into the bioterrorism or weaponized virus, for Pete's sake. I original thought that was wacko...but now.....

There are very powerful people/groups that strongly believe in a ‘For the better good’ approach! This is part of the deliberate diversions taking place in the USA!
Unfortunately, a culling of the world population is part of the agenda!
Also, remember, in a crisis, folks are much more willing to give up their rights/ freedoms!

That point has been floating around my head for days now. The targeted starting 'area,' the targeted death of the Doctor who spotted it in that area... The rapid construction of two hospitals in 'days' of its breaking out of the starting area...

It is a very difficult thing to get one's head around, but a socialist communist country that has little value regarding its excess population; why not test a weaponized virus in a tiny targeted area!!! But, as always happens, they overplay and underestimate and things go very wrong, very quickly!

Our Government first believed that they could define and set in place a counter measure within weeks. Today, they are talking months... That is a 'Concern' change from a simple Virus to the reality of being faced with something that is likely Weaponized!!!
 
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………I'm starting to buy into the bioterrorism or weaponized virus, for Pete's sake. I original thought that was wacko...but now.....

There are very powerful people/groups that strongly believe in a ‘For the better good’ approach! This is part of the deliberate diversions taking place in the USA!
Unfortunately, a culling of the world population is part of the agenda!
Also, remember, in a crisis, folks are much more willing to give up their rights/ freedoms!

That point has been floating around my head for days now. The targeted starting 'area,' the targeted death of the Doctor who spotted it in that area... The rapid construction of two hospitals in 'days' of its breaking out of the starting area...

It is a very difficult thing to get one's head around, but a socialist communist country that has little value regarding its excess population; why not test a weaponized virus in a tiny targeted area!!! But, as always happens, they overplay and underestimate and things go very wrong, very quickly!

Our Government first believed that they could define and set in place a counter measure within weeks. Today, they are talking months... That is a 'Concern' change from a simple Virus to the reality of being faced with something that is likely Weaponized!!!

Hence reason why I suspected early on they are bio-engineering new strains of the flu for use as a bio-weapon? It is usually how they go about it. The deadly Wuhan Coronavirus, dubbed “2019-nCoV” by the World Health Organization (WHO), is spreading farther and faster than the SARS virus (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). Plus the pathogens are the same — both are corona viruses — but something has changed with the Wuhan variant that has allowed the rate of transmission to increase significantly over SARS?
 
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I suppose the US and other countries are still importing items from China? Close to 100% of things at Walmart, Dollar General and Family Dollar are from China.
 

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