COVID-19 Virus

[Laurasea]

Well With more data , the current fatality rate in the United States is 3.9% so basically 4 out of every 100 people who get this awful virus die... tho deaths are weighted to elderly and those with other health issues, we have had deaths in all age groups. And younger folks may get saddled with health issues for life after recovery, some people spend over 100 days in the hospital...... or develop blood clots that cause loss of fingers, toes, or legs...

Other countries have had higher fatalities rates, up to 17% I think...

We are ready for the pandemic to be over, but it is not, sadly

My state of Florida, is not doing so great. Finally my county has a mandatory mask order. I can say I see 99% compliance , or perhaps 85% if you leave off the fools who leave their nose exposed. The nose is one of the preferred sites for the virus to enter the body. I’m a mouth breather , due to health issues. But most folks are nose breathers, so please cover your nose with your mask...... the proper way to wear a face mask is to cover your nose and mouth with the mask.

I was young when the seatbelt law was passed. I remember people making a fuss and hating wearing seatbelts... it was a big deal. Then it became so obvious that lives were saved, that traumatic brain injuries and paralysis went down! People became believers

I wish that mask wearing would be like that. Because nit only does it save your life, it saves other people’s lives

 

[Qckslvr]

My wife and I just recently got over COVID 19.



I work at a dealership, and we believe an customer gave it to one of our service writers. From there it went from the writer to the service manager, then myself a parts guy, our parts manager, our HR manager, and one of the owners of the dealership.



This virus really hit everyone differently. I myself am in my late 40's a little heavy and take BP meds. My wife is 40, fit, eats right, but has asthma. Our service manager is mid 30's and of average build. Parts manager is mid 50s, takes BP meds, and again pretty average.



I myself never really felt ill, to me it was nothing more than a bad allergy attack. I did lose my sense of smell for three days. That was the extent of it for me. My wife though.... not as lucky. She bounced from 94 to 101 temp for a week, muscle aches, and she had two nights where she had mild breathing issues. She also lost her sense of taste, not smell. Our service manager was not so lucky... He ended up in the hospital on oxygen. He was there for 5 days, with all the symptoms in the book. Our parts manager had breathing issues, ran a fever, and bad stomach problems.



All of us though had recovered and returned to work in 2 weeks. We all tested negative at the end of our 2 weeks.



BUT..... none of us are definitely out of the woods. I myself get winded a little easier now. Both our PM and SM have to take the stress level easy or the feel like a truck hit them at the end of the day. My wife works from home, and plays with Perci (our new sun conure).



I would love to get back to my routine, my job requires me to be able to lift 75+ pounds at times. I can barely lift 50, and walking to the back of the shop will exhaust me at times.



I have never been so scared for myself or my wife. I think the psychological effects of this disease are just as bad as the disease itself.

 

[Scott]

My wife and I just recently got over COVID 19.



I work at a dealership, and we believe an customer gave it to one of our service writers. From there it went from the writer to the service manager, then myself a parts guy, our parts manager, our HR manager, and one of the owners of the dealership.



This virus really hit everyone differently. I myself am in my late 40's a little heavy and take BP meds. My wife is 40, fit, eats right, but has asthma. Our service manager is mid 30's and of average build. Parts manager is mid 50s, takes BP meds, and again pretty average.



I myself never really felt ill, to me it was nothing more than a bad allergy attack. I did lose my sense of smell for three days. That was the extent of it for me. My wife though.... not as lucky. She bounced from 94 to 101 temp for a week, muscle aches, and she had two nights where she had mild breathing issues. She also lost her sense of taste, not smell. Our service manager was not so lucky... He ended up in the hospital on oxygen. He was there for 5 days, with all the symptoms in the book. Our parts manager had breathing issues, ran a fever, and bad stomach problems.



All of us though had recovered and returned to work in 2 weeks. We all tested negative at the end of our 2 weeks.



BUT..... none of us are definitely out of the woods. I myself get winded a little easier now. Both our PM and SM have to take the stress level easy or the feel like a truck hit them at the end of the day. My wife works from home, and plays with Perci (our new sun conure).



I would love to get back to my routine, my job requires me to be able to lift 75+ pounds at times. I can barely lift 50, and walking to the back of the shop will exhaust me at times.



I have never been so scared for myself or my wife. I think the psychological effects of this disease are just as bad as the disease itself.

Thanks for sharing your family and co-worker experiences, hope you all quickly return to normal health. SARS-CoV-2 has proven a most elusive set of illnesses and perhaps one of the most random viruses in recent history. We need to crack the code of why the effects are so variable in a given age or risk group.

 

[T00tsyd]

They are talking here of something they are terming 'long covid'. Many people are talking of lingering symptoms of exhaustion and Drs are apparently telling them it's all in the mind.

I am no Dr but do have lung problems and the description sounds very like a lack of oxygen which leaves you tired, without the same strength etc. Looking at pictures that have been published at the damage which is done to the lungs I think this is something that only long term monitoring will truly divulge. At the moment everyone is hoping for the best. My advice based on my own experience is to do only what you can. Pushing yourself will not get you better faster. Practice deep breathing exercises, lose any excess weight and rest as much as you can.

 

[Laurasea]

They are talking here of something they are terming 'long covid'. Many people are talking of lingering symptoms of exhaustion and Drs are apparently telling them it's all in the mind.

I am no Dr but do have lung problems and the description sounds very like a lack of oxygen which leaves you tired, without the same strength etc. Looking at pictures that have been published at the damage which is done to the lungs I think this is something that only long term monitoring will truly divulge. At the moment everyone is hoping for the best. My advice based on my own experience is to do only what you can. Pushing yourself will not get you better faster. Practice deep breathing exercises, lose any excess weight and rest as much as you can.

I agree , even those with mild virus symptoms my have lung damage. The virus uses our cells to replicate this virus uses lung cells ..... it can take time like months fir your body to repair. There is some talk that the holes and danger and scars in the lungs may be permanent. But I know the body has a great capacity to repair itself.

Qckslvr thank you for sharing your journey of how’ve this virus effected you and those around you. Please honor your body, and give yourself time to heal. Please don’t push yourself to achieve pre covid normal st this point. Allow time for you body to heal. Pushing yourself can actually cause more harm , especially if oxygen levels are lower.
I know because I have a be a neuromuscular disorder, my muscles can be weak to weak to fully inflate my lungs. Over time this can damage organs and brain and nerve tissue, it also causes clubbing of my fingernails. So yiu really don’t want to over tax or rush your healing.listen to your body, take it a little easier give your body the time it needs to heal.

I’m so glad you are all in the road to recovery.
I also hope it encouraging people to wear masks

 

[SailBoat]

My wife and I just recently got over COVID 19.

BUT..... none of us are definitely out of the woods. I myself get winded a little easier now. Both our PM and SM have to take the stress level easy or the feel like a truck hit them at the end of the day. My wife works from home, and plays with Perci (our new sun conure).

Thanks for sharing your family and co-worker experiences, hope you all quickly return to normal health. SARS-CoV-2 has proven a most elusive set of illnesses and perhaps one of the most random viruses in recent history. We need to crack the code of why the effects are so variable in a given age or risk group.

There is no question that the very long list of effected major and minor segments of the Human body affected by SARS-CoV-2 results in vastly different outcomes depending on the health (strengths vs weakest) of each individual. As a result, it is common for each individual to be effected differently. As stated above, take great care in your recovering from this virus, longterm effects are Not Known!

It is very important that we all understand that this monstrous virus has only been aggressively studied for little more than five short months. Other SARS and SARS like virus even decades later still do not have the level of understand that we are obtaining with this monster. Sadly, with all the coverage of this virus, recently a possible cure for HIV was announced. So-what! No, really important as the HIV cure is also a DNA based drug, just like several of the drugs being tested now.

Regardless of the politics, the vast success of the US in developing /forming a Worldwide effort and more specifically a North American effort, we are able to not only continue to meet the needs of North America, but supply critical equipment to those areas of the World that are experiencing rapid growth in cases!

NOTE: If you have been infected and recovered from this virus, please provide a blood sample to verify you have antibodies and what volume you have. And, if you can, please consider providing additional blood so that it can be used to provide antibodies in others...

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Here in CT we're doing fairly well. Yesterday's stats were 56 in the hospital,5 deaths and 12 new cases. Our "positivity" rate was .07 at the time. Our governor has 32 states on his mandatory self-quarantine list. I don't go anywhere unless absolutely necessary and wear a mask. Any store here won't let you in if you don't wear one! Even when I ride my Harley I wear one.

I went to a local park the other day to harass the squirrels with my drone and I found MASKS littering the parking lot Whats wrong with people??
We are our own worse enemies! and we are not getting any help from the man we are suppose to believe and trust in ( just thinking about it gets my blood boiling)


Jim

 

[SailBoat]

Here in CT we're doing fairly well. Yesterday's stats were 56 in the hospital,5 deaths and 12 new cases. Our "positivity" rate was .07 at the time. Our governor has 32 states on his mandatory self-quarantine list. I don't go anywhere unless absolutely necessary and wear a mask. Any store here won't let you in if you don't wear one! Even when I ride my Harley I wear one.

I went to a local park the other day to harass the squirrels with my drone and I found MASKS littering the parking lot Whats wrong with people??
We are our own worse enemies! and we are not getting any help from the man we are suppose to believe and trust in ( just thinking about it gets my blood boiling)
Jim

Remembering that we are a short six months into this my friend and as a Nation that strongly believes in individual rights, individuals drive the flow of this virus. Point being, it is not a single person thing. Had the masses not been asses and had then and now followed the guidelines, we would be in a very different place today.

Turn-off the News, you will find that your blood will stop boiling and maybe only simmer. .

 

[Laurasea]

This excerpt is from the current Lancet Journal of medicine

“ Spain has been hit hard by COVID-19, with more than 300 000 cases, 28 498 confirmed deaths, and around 44 000 excess deaths, as of Aug 4, 2020.2 More than 50 000 health workers have been infected, “

Notice 44,000 excess deaths !! These are deaths that are nit included in the official coronavirus death count. Excess deaths are unexpected and unexplained deaths beyond the yearly death average ( usually a five to ten year historic average is used) from illnesses, cancer, accidents, murder etc... that’s 44,000 excess deaths, that are surely uncounted coronavirus deaths

These excess deaths are also tracked in almost every country in the world right now in the various tens of thousands.... some of this is due to people who die and haven’t been tested, or seen nit tested as resources are stretched thin . Dr. Fauci and other experts have acknowledged publicly that the United States has even more deaths due to coronavirus than we have counted currently. Many will be included down the road... ( hopefully )

I’ve posted about uncounted excess deaths before in this thread, with sources sited. Sometimes some excess deaths are left off the official counts on purpose...

This pandemic is the real deal, and I hope humanity will continue to use social distancing, face masks, and hand washing, testing, and contact tracing , and those testing positive following quarantine guidelines.. to save lives and slow this beast down. While the world races to produce vaccines

 

[Falderal]

With the pandemic surging again in the US, I'm staying home again for a while. It is better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Laurasea]

I feel ya Noodles .
It’s a terrible place for everyone to be in,

Kids mixing, sharing the virus. Only a few kids end up in the hospital or dead. But the spread it to their families, the kids spread it out shopping, then their parents spread it at their jobs. Then more adults end up in the hospital or dead...

Plus there has been Plenty of documentation that adults and kids don’t have to have a fever with this virus... all that temperature taking st the airports at the start of this pandemic didn’t catch people with the virus.... temperature taking is something everyone just latched into to look like they were doing something....

School is important socially to kids
It’s just a terrible situation

I’d heard the idea floated of doing micro schools, with each neighborhood come together and parents rotated as the teacher fir a day or a week , then a different parent did. Trying to keep groups of ten kids or so... sounded like a good idea, probably a bit of a headache to organize I’m sure...

I don’t have the answers , but I feel for kids and families and teaches

 

[SailBoat]

When teachers say they are not being asked is so very true as the very organization that states they have the backs of the teachers, Do Not! The National and State Teachers Unions have set Teachers up for a massive lay-off as Remote teaching requires about fifty percent (50%) of the teachers in any single school are needed to work. Even if that number is closer to 66% that is a Huge number of teachers that will join the unemployment lines...

As an individual who is married to a retired teacher, an Uncle to three other teachers, plus a close friend too far more, I'm not someone making noise with no connection to this group.

The reality is, school starts 'face to face' for thousands of school districts in vast areas of North America with no reported infections, that be zero. In addition, tens of thousands of Home Schooled kids have continued their education 'at-home' with zero infections. This group has grown in huge numbers and have become a Voting Block that is changing the way school systems are funded. Point being, the education of children will occur. Whether or not areas in which infection rates continue to be high is still open for those districts to decide.

There is wide spread interest in changing the funding of education to follow the child and not be dedicated to supporting public school systems only. Those public school systems that choose to remote education 'will' reduce the number of teachers!

Clearly, each school district will need to define what is best for their 'specific' district. And, each teacher will need to determine whether they will remain in the profession. Hard Words, Yes, but reality is...

Take care that your sources are not singular in voice.

 

[Laurasea]

All I can think is of the studies they have done st hospitals, were strict protocols were in place, were postive coronavirus cases were on separate floors with separate ventilation. The study tested surfaces and found the virus on all floors , ceiling, and surfaces in the hospital, even on bottles in the pharmacy are doctors and patients aren’t allowed.

Even six feet apart even with masks, the virus load in a school room will build up.

There is only managing risk there is no way fir zero risk. It’s scary for teachers, for kids, fir parents...

This pandemic is terrible for everything, fir risk to health, fir risk to jobs, for risk to ways of life

I miss movies, I miss friends and family, I miss eating st restaurant, I miss choices , I miss getting cleaning products I want, and still sometimes food products I want. I stress about people loosing their jobs, their way of life. I sure want a vaccine that works and that all people in the world have access to

 

[noodles123]

I'm probably going to delete my posts before bed, just so I sleep better, so, if there seem to be holes in this dialogue later on, that could be the reason. I very much appreciate all of the support...I just worry about voicing my opinion too openly.

 

[SailBoat]

I'm probably going to delete my posts before bed, just so I sleep better, so, if there seem to be holes in this dialogue later on, that could be the reason. I very much appreciate all of the support...I just worry about voicing my opinion too openly.

Sad that you feel concerned about voicing your opinion here 'too openly' as your statements are either in lock step with both National and State Teacher Unions' or at the very least, extremely close to everything I have read. That leaves you well protected by your local Union. Sadly, those who are not, they do not have that support.

When an open, above board, discuss here cannot include cautionary points regarding a position, we loss any reason to comment, which can result in the loss of perspective regarding a Post.

Sorry that your district was not prepared to effectively provide Computer Based 'at home' Learning. Our districts had been using this tool with students that for a vast number of reasons could not attend face to face classes, whether for short periods of time or for extended periods. The maximum number of students was 75 with the average near 50.

 

[Laurasea]

I heard a news brief from Dr. Fauci saying the same thing. Children can have very high virus loads. ..

So stressful fir those with school age children, and those teaching and working at schools....

And Florida just topped 10, 000 coronavirus deaths at the start of this they estimated that Florida would have 4,000 deaths, so we blew past that estimate....

“ We were very surprised by this. We quantified the amount of virus and then compared it with adults who were hospitalized in the ICU. And we found that the kids had significantly higher levels of virus than these adults in the ICU. And when you think of the ICU in the hospitals, especially during the peak of the pandemic, you have people wearing full body coverings, masks, face shields, all of these protections in place — whereas these children are walking around with significantly higher viral loads [without such precautions being taken]. And so that was very surprising and alarming to us.“
http://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/08/20/mgh-study-covid-children-adults

 

[noodles123]

OH I KNOW...It kills me (may actually kill me lol!)

The teacher in that picture isn't following CDC guidelines BTW (it makes me mad when they highlight people doing things the wrong way without commenting on it)-- face-shields are NOT an acceptable replacement for masks, but may be used in conjunction.

Researchers who are "surprised" : NO TEACHER EVER would be surprised by that (except those who rarely get sick anyway--and most teachers have a decent immune system, but this is different). Kids always carry stuff and often don't get that sick, but pass it to adults and knock them on their butts (on top of being FILLED with viruses that they don't often show, they lack the common sense to avoid spreading them)...Flu is really the only thing that ever gets them...and even then, half of them run around with just a mild cough or green snot (still coming to school, still rubbing snot (literally) on their teachers)......I have caught so many sketchy, sketchy SKETCHY things from kids with "colds". Plus, many parents send kids to school with the "sniffles" all the time, and often, with fevers they hide under layers of Tylenol. I get it..people have to work, but so do teachers, so it's unkind to forget us when sending sick kids to school. We have families too.

Also...guess how many adults don't know how to follow rules or wear simple masks OVER their noses???? Guess how many adults don't even think to wash their hands or use hand sanitizer before eating (even after touching communal desks, pencils, door handles, computers etc)
Amazing...even when it's the law and even when people sign off saying they will, they DON'T.

How can we expect kids to listen when adults won't even do it?

 

[SailBoat]

I heard a news brief from Dr. Fauci saying the same thing. Children can have very high virus loads. ..

So stressful fir those with school age children, and those teaching and working at schools....

And Florida just topped 10, 000 coronavirus deaths at the start of this they estimated that Florida would have 4,000 deaths, so we blew past that estimate....

“ We were very surprised by this. We quantified the amount of virus and then compared it with adults who were hospitalized in the ICU. And we found that the kids had significantly higher levels of virus than these adults in the ICU. And when you think of the ICU in the hospitals, especially during the peak of the pandemic, you have people wearing full body coverings, masks, face shields, all of these protections in place — whereas these children are walking around with significantly higher viral loads [without such precautions being taken]. And so that was very surprising and alarming to us.“
http://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/08/20/mgh-study-covid-children-adults

Wait, what!!! Kids, Adults wandering around Hospital ICU"s??? When a Virus is found on 'all' surfaces, wouldn't one be concerned about contaminated testing process? In addition, there would be a natural variation to the distribution of the Virus volume found. Right? It is well known, that this Virus depends of volume to infect.

 

[Laurasea]

By
Ben Guarino
September 3, 2020 at 5:30 p.m. EDT
Deer mice, the most abundant mammal native to North America, can catch the coronavirus and pass it to other mice in laboratory settings, raising a remote possibility that they could become a reservoir for the pathogen in nature and transmit it to humans, according to two new studies not yet peer-reviewed.

Florida is just shy of 12,000 deaths. Our new projected death toll is to cross 26,000 buy January 1st...... our new projected peak of this pandemic is December. Not clear if this is the projected peaks because it’s hoped we will have a vaccine by then?

We have had some outbreaks and schools shifting to online...
how’s things your way Noodles?

 

[Laurasea]

Noodles!
Florida isn’t going to release postive school case... sightings privacy, yet s mom friend of mine said they sure tell the parents when there is a live out break, or strep outbreak or ... but now it’s private , when it has a 5% fatality ????