COVID-19 Virus

[noodles123]

Be careful...but congrats on the haircut! I kind of get a kick out of seeing everyone run around "unkempt" lol.

 

[noodles123]

Our state started opening already but me and my family decided to wait a little further since we think it is still a bit too early.

Each individual has the right to choose when and to what level of protection they elect to use when reentering social activity. I'm certain that no one is or will force you to stray-out of your home...

As each State opens back-up it is done based on that State's choice against guidelines provided by CDC.

Enjoy the Freedom provided by America's Bill of Rights.

Don't hate me for saying this, okay? I am very passionate about this concept though and...so....

I assert that this statement about "rights" could be disputed based on our own laws...
When one's actions kill or risk the lives of others, it is no longer a matter of personal freedom, but an imposition on the rights of others' access to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (if there is a lot of crime in an area, people choose to stay in at night, but does that mean that they should be forced to make that choice due to the negligence of others? Does that mean that the crime itself is an acceptable choice in such areas, even when it negates the rights of those who would "choose" to go outside in its absence?)

Viruses have no borders...and a choice made in rural Montana could impact the entire world, because we are all so connected.

If I choose to spread a deadly virus to someone else (or fail to disclose that I may have it) that is criminal <---quite literally (there are court cases that set that precedent well before covid).
We all know that plenty of people can carry this without symptoms and that, before the lock-down, the R0 was quite high. It takes one careless (heck, AVERAGE) person to infect a bevy of innocent bystanders, who then go on to do the same thing- not knowing they themselves are now transmitting the virus as well.

Until we have a better handle on this, I think face-coverings should NOT be optional in public settings (as they protect those around you-- not the wearer)...Just as gloves are not optional in an operating room, and headlights are required when driving at night...and drinking and driving is illegal when it poses a threat to others on the road. Personal freedoms have a limit when they impact others and could create an even larger economic melt-down in the future. It's like playing a world-wide game of "Russian Roulette" when people avoid precautions out of the perceived "inconvenience" of it all.
It's not about the individual-- it's about the impact that individual could unknowing have on thousands of families and the economy, all because an individual doesn't feel like taking precautions.

I am generally pretty laissez faire when it comes to things--as long as it is not hurting others and as long as it is not going to turn around an hurt the economy-- but that isn't the case here..I am not a democrat and I am not a republican-- but this impacts too many people who will inadvertently harm others (and eventually, indirectly, themselves).

 

[Flboy]

Our state started opening already but me and my family decided to wait a little further since we think it is still a bit too early.

Each individual has the right to choose when and to what level of protection they elect to use when reentering social activity. I'm certain that no one is or will force you to stray-out of your home...

As each State opens back-up it is done based on that State's choice against guidelines provided by CDC.

Enjoy the Freedom provided by America's Bill of Rights.

Don't hate me for saying this, okay? I am very passionate about this concept though and...so....

I assert that this statement about "rights" could be disputed based on our own laws...
When one's actions kill or risk the lives of others, it is no longer a matter of personal freedom, but an imposition on the rights of others' access to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (if there is a lot of crime in an area, people choose to stay in at night, but does that mean that they should be forced to make that choice due to the negligence of others? Does that mean that the crime itself is an acceptable choice in such areas, even when it negates the rights of those who would "choose" to go outside in its absence?)

Viruses have no borders...and a choice made in rural Montana could impact the entire world, because we are all so connected.

If I choose to spread a deadly virus to someone else (or fail to disclose that I may have it) that is criminal <---quite literally (there are court cases that set that precedent well before covid).
We all know that plenty of people can carry this without symptoms and that, before the lock-down, the R0 was quite high. It takes one careless (heck, AVERAGE) person to infect a bevy of innocent bystanders, who then go on to do the same thing- not knowing they themselves are now transmitting the virus as well.

Until we have a better handle on this, I think face-coverings should NOT be optional in public settings (as they protect those around you-- not the wearer)...Just as gloves are not optional in an operating room, and headlights are required when driving at night...and drinking and driving is illegal when it poses a threat to others on the road. Personal freedoms have a limit when they impact others and could create an even larger economic melt-down in the future. It's like playing a world-wide game of "Russian Roulette" when people avoid precautions out of the perceived "inconvenience" of it all.
It's not about the individual-- it's about the impact that individual could unknowing have on thousands of families and the economy, all because an individual doesn't feel like taking precautions.

I am generally pretty laissez faire when it comes to things--as long as it is not hurting others and as long as it is not going to turn around an hurt the economy-- but that isn't the case here..I am not a democrat and I am not a republican-- but this impacts too many people who will inadvertently harm others (and eventually, indirectly, themselves).

This kicks off a different debate! When someone is deliberately using a situation to create a false panic, and then using it to prove they are doing it for the better good, I have a problem!

 

[noodles123]

Each individual has the right to choose when and to what level of protection they elect to use when reentering social activity. I'm certain that no one is or will force you to stray-out of your home...

As each State opens back-up it is done based on that State's choice against guidelines provided by CDC.

Enjoy the Freedom provided by America's Bill of Rights.

Don't hate me for saying this, okay? I am very passionate about this concept though and...so....

I assert that this statement about "rights" could be disputed based on our own laws...
When one's actions kill or risk the lives of others, it is no longer a matter of personal freedom, but an imposition on the rights of others' access to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (if there is a lot of crime in an area, people choose to stay in at night, but does that mean that they should be forced to make that choice due to the negligence of others? Does that mean that the crime itself is an acceptable choice in such areas, even when it negates the rights of those who would "choose" to go outside in its absence?)

Viruses have no borders...and a choice made in rural Montana could impact the entire world, because we are all so connected.

If I choose to spread a deadly virus to someone else (or fail to disclose that I may have it) that is criminal <---quite literally (there are court cases that set that precedent well before covid).
We all know that plenty of people can carry this without symptoms and that, before the lock-down, the R0 was quite high. It takes one careless (heck, AVERAGE) person to infect a bevy of innocent bystanders, who then go on to do the same thing- not knowing they themselves are now transmitting the virus as well.

Until we have a better handle on this, I think face-coverings should NOT be optional in public settings (as they protect those around you-- not the wearer)...Just as gloves are not optional in an operating room, and headlights are required when driving at night...and drinking and driving is illegal when it poses a threat to others on the road. Personal freedoms have a limit when they impact others and could create an even larger economic melt-down in the future. It's like playing a world-wide game of "Russian Roulette" when people avoid precautions out of the perceived "inconvenience" of it all.
It's not about the individual-- it's about the impact that individual could unknowing have on thousands of families and the economy, all because an individual doesn't feel like taking precautions.

I am generally pretty laissez faire when it comes to things--as long as it is not hurting others and as long as it is not going to turn around an hurt the economy-- but that isn't the case here..I am not a democrat and I am not a republican-- but this impacts too many people who will inadvertently harm others (and eventually, indirectly, themselves).

This kicks off a different debate! When someone is deliberately using a situation to create a false panic, and then using it to prove they are doing it for the better good, I have a problem!

I would agree with that statement. Over 324 thousand people is a lot to lose though, and this is only (roughly) the 4th month in...that we know of...Wearing a face-covering is standard in many countries (pre-covid) and IF it protects others and allows the country to open sooner, wouldn't that be worth the fashion statement? It's really a small price to pay when our not-so-distant ancestors dealt with things like food and paper rationing... The mere act of wearing a covering is simply a nuisance-is it really that big of a deal when no one knows exactly what we are up against?

We panicked over Pearl Harbor and 9/11---fewer people died, but the threat was an easy target, so people accepted it. Accepting that terrorists or another country= the cause of death is way easier than knowing that every person could impact the success or failure of this invisible "enemy".

 

[bill_e]

If one is not being hurt financially by the virus, I choose to pay little attention to that person's position on opening up the country.

I'm not at all financially affected by the virus, in fact at this time I would normally be spending money and playing at my very expensive summer sport while instead I'm teleworking and making money that I normally don't this time of year. In my job I get paid partly because of my ability to understand and be empathetic to both sides of a disagreement. My sense is that many people who are vocal about keeping things closed have little empathy for those people who may be going hungry, loosing their home, and maybe loosing everything they have. For those not having an income or on a greatly reduced income the risk/reward decision is an easy one.

If a person is worried about infection, they can stay in the home that they continue to be able to pay the mortgage/rent on and reduce their risk. I really doubt that there are many people who are in dire straits that aren't eager to get back to work.

 

[noodles123]

If one is not being hurt financially by the virus, I choose to pay little attention to that person's position on opening up the country.

I'm not at all financially affected by the virus, in fact at this time I would normally be spending money and playing at my very expensive summer sport while instead I'm teleworking and making money that I normally don't this time of year. In my job I get paid partly because of my ability to understand and be empathetic to both sides of a disagreement. My sense is that many people who are vocal about keeping things closed have little empathy for those people who may be going hungry, loosing their home, and maybe loosing everything they have. For those not having an income or on a greatly reduced income the risk/reward decision is an easy one.

If a person is worried about infection, they can stay in the home that they continue to be able to pay the mortgage/rent on and reduce their risk. I really doubt that there are many people who are in dire straits that aren't eager to get back to work.

Then there are those on the front-lines who deal with all of those who go out even when it is just for sport (and end up getting sick or spreading the virus further). The economic impacts may be divided right now, but eventually, the impacts will hit all occupations if it is not contained. Many of us have to leave home against our wishes in order to attend to the needs of essential business (including those in nursing, some in education/psych, grocery stores, gas stations, manufacturing,police, EMTs,firefighters etc).

In the short-term, yes, getting back to work matters, but why then, is it so difficult for people to follow the very rules that could allow that to happen for more than a month before another lock-down is imposed? If it comes down to stats, then I appeal to people to stop denying them and start taking preventive measure so we can all start getting back to normal. Working for a check is important (in the short term) but you have to be alive to spend that money- same for the family you want the check to support.

My parents' town is small. You go to that Walmart and it is like social distancing isn't even a thing. You don't see face-masks on many--you DO see people coughing right into their bare hands... and their numbers (per-capita) are blowing up...yet that town denies the severity of the risk because they (as a whole) think this a political move and don't want to change their ways. That's a problem. It makes me livid. There is this conspiracy theory that this virus is somehow made up...I know people who have died from it, and I live less than an hour from them. In their TINY town, more than 60 people have died, yet people still want to scoff. My mom says, "I'm fine, I wear a mask when I go."--the thing is, a mask is to protect others (not you!)...unless it is a properly fitted n-95...So, here she is, doing her part (thinking she's safe) while all of these people run around without, when they could just as easily put a folded t-shirt over their mouth to catch at least some of the droplets that come out of their mouths during a typical conversation. It's about protecting everyone around you..and if my 60+ year-old mom can do it, so can all of the 20-40 somethings who want to deny the reality of this issue.

My parents are out of work because of this, and so is half the town, yet the town refuses to change and wants to complain about how this is an injustice. I get it---lay-offs are everywhere even for those who are still working (at their own risk). If that's the case, I wish people would start doing more to stop the spread--- the numbers drop, your town opens...it's so frustrating. I can't even go see my own parents for fear of harming them, because so many people break the rules...and because they don't have the option of grocery delivery etc, they HAVE to go to the store (or "choose" to starve)...I get so upset when I think about what a risk it is for them (at their age and with their health issues)...SO, when a person can CHOOSE to protect others by engaging in simple protective measures (such as, standing away from people, coughing into elbows and wearing a home-made face-covering in public), I feel that it is their obligation to do so. That is an act of patriotism, commonsense and cautiousness that our country could use more of these days...ESPECIALLY when everyone wants to get back to work.

 

[SailBoat]

"Each individual has the right to choose when and to what level of protection they elect to use when reentering social activity. I'm certain that no one is or will force you to stray-out of your home...

As each State opens back-up it is done based on that State's choice against guidelines provided by CDC.

Enjoy the Freedom provided by America's Bill of Rights."

As a United States Military Veteran, a member of a family that has a long history of Military Service since the First World War, and now being 72, I have earned my Rights and have served so that others have those same Rights. At this moment, within this Great Republic, Free People are voicing their opinions regarding their Rights. For me, its very simply: If your State is moving to open, it is your choice whether you Stray Out and About or Not.

This very specific and short discussion stated when a member stated that their State was opening up. Nothing more...

My statement above defined the member was not obligated to stray-out of their home -- nothing more.

 

[noodles123]

I just get frustrated by it because I feel like that choice can be one-sided. I know what you mean, I just feel a lot of frustration with regard to how people are choosing to handle this. It wasn't an attack on you.

 

[bigfellasdad]

I think its good that things may start getting back to normal where it is safe and adequate protection/consideration has been made. Personally, as a 52yr old smoking diabetic, im continuing the lock down. I haven't been effected financially as I haven't had a day off work since January and my ability to work has not been effected, I go to walks in the woods next to my house or recently took a shot ride on my motorbike so my mental state is fine. I'm lucky though, many are no where near as fortunate as I.

 

[Laurasea]

People need to work for sure, things are dire on that front.

I do wish people would ware a mask, social distance wash hands ECT....

My town isn't very large , people are not having masks on. We have gone up every day for the last ten days, today we went up five case , with 3 more in the hospital. That's for a town if a little over 20,000. Most people in my town don't know that we have been going up for two weeks by 1-5 cases a day. Because we aren't represented in the news. If you go to the Florida health department you can see we are going up. But most people aren't checking that,. When I told freinds and faimly they were so suprised!

It's hard to believe that 95 thousand people have died. That new projections expect 150 thousand by August 1. That's a lot if people that's as we stand now that would be my town wiped out five times over!!!

We have to work with and around this virus. Or by the end if the year half a million people will be dead in the United States

 

[bigfellasdad]

wow, information is so important at this time. Speaking for my family, we are all in our
own local town/village facebook groups. The local NHS hospitals/police are keeping us upto date with numbers/issues, local businesses (whom we are all trying to support) are keeping us upto date with home deliveries etc, etc. I think a lot of people in the UK simply dont follow national news as its all sensationalising every thing and not picking the information that is important any more. So again, local communities use facebook to keep us all informed of local news. Its giving the bonus of letting local issues be known and people can help. Its given a real strong British sense of 'togetherness' and certainly for my town/village its working to keep us safe.

forget national press, talk together and look out for your own community at this point in time

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Yesterday CT opened up partially..the last state,except for NYC. 20 deaths reported yesterday...over 3500 died. Hospitals have released a lot of people but and there is a decline in admissions. next week David has to go in for "surgery" on his back...actually its just some sort of injection. This morning he had to go and get tested before they will see him. I see more traffic,some resturants who have the space have set up tents in their parking lots. Davids favorite place has a small lot and no room for social distancing. This sucks.


Jim

 

[noodles123]

Yesterday CT opened up partially..the last state,except for NYC. 20 deaths reported yesterday...over 3500 died. Hospitals have released a lot of people but and there is a decline in admissions. next week David has to go in for "surgery" on his back...actually its just some sort of injection. This morning he had to go and get tested before they will see him. I see more traffic,some resturants who have the space have set up tents in their parking lots. Davids favorite place has a small lot and no room for social distancing. This sucks.


Jim

Could you set up a picnic in the park with a fold-able table and chairs-- pack plates etc and then get curbside?

 

[Flboy]

wow, information is so important at this time. Speaking for my family, we are all in our
own local town/village facebook groups. The local NHS hospitals/police are keeping us upto date with numbers/issues, local businesses (whom we are all trying to support) are keeping us upto date with home deliveries etc, etc. I think a lot of people in the UK simply dont follow national news as its all sensationalising every thing and not picking the information that is important any more. So again, local communities use facebook to keep us all informed of local news. Its giving the bonus of letting local issues be known and people can help. Its given a real strong British sense of 'togetherness' and certainly for my town/village its working to keep us safe.

forget national press, talk together and look out for your own community at this point in time

Remember, Facebook is openly censoring posts to promote it’s agenda! Google is also!

 

[SailBoat]

Yesterday CT opened up partially..the last state,except for NYC. 20 deaths reported yesterday...over 3500 died. Hospitals have released a lot of people but and there is a decline in admissions. next week David has to go in for "surgery" on his back...actually its just some sort of injection. This morning he had to go and get tested before they will see him. I see more traffic,some resturants who have the space have set up tents in their parking lots. Davids favorite place has a small lot and no room for social distancing. This sucks.

Jim

Could you set up a picnic in the park with a fold-able table and chairs-- pack plates etc and then get curbside?

Lunch after a lumbar injection really should be in a quality chair as proper position after the injection helps to assure that it's successful! Early failure, now that really sucks!

 

[bigfellasdad]

Remember, Facebook is openly censoring posts to promote it’s agenda! Google is also!

I know, dont mention the chinese for sure, ive had several warnings! So be smart and word things to avoid the robots

Ive just worked out my counties figures on covid19, we have had 30/10000 cases and 5/10000 deaths. How does that stack up? These are figures since february when it all started, so thats ~1/10000 per month. Our figures only those tested, and you only get tested if you have to go to hospital, which is a poor show for sure

the NHS have been brilliant, buts its hardly the 'plague', or am i being stupid here?

 

[noodles123]

Yesterday CT opened up partially..the last state,except for NYC. 20 deaths reported yesterday...over 3500 died. Hospitals have released a lot of people but and there is a decline in admissions. next week David has to go in for "surgery" on his back...actually its just some sort of injection. This morning he had to go and get tested before they will see him. I see more traffic,some resturants who have the space have set up tents in their parking lots. Davids favorite place has a small lot and no room for social distancing. This sucks.

Jim

Could you set up a picnic in the park with a fold-able table and chairs-- pack plates etc and then get curbside?

Lunch after a lumbar injection really should be in a quality chair as proper position after the injection helps to assure that it's successful! Early failure, now that really sucks!

Yeah- true. I just figured if the plan was to go to a restaurant, those chairs aren't normally that great either lol--but it could be uncomfortable, for sure

 

[Laurasea]

It seems kinda like the world has given up on coronavirus.....
While it seems the pandemic is just keeping chugging higher with more lives lost. I saw one article where many countries have decided not to release as much case info and death statistics.....

I watched an interview with a college kid who had had the virus and he said that people who think they have probably already had the virus have not. He said when you get it you know, you have terrible body aches, fevers, persistent cough... this echos what I’ve heard from doctors and health leaders from around the world. That it’s very rare to be barely sick, most people feel like they got hit by a truck, feel sick for a couple of weeks..

Dr. Fauci says coronavirus pandemic is his 'worst nightmare' and 'isn't over yet'
The nation's top infectious disease expert expressed his concern as coronavirus cases continue to rise in 21 states.

My state is one on the rise with over a 1000 new cases for the past week to ten days...

I’m ready for this to be over just like you all. Please keep up with the masks and eye protection in public. Those st high risk like me don’t let your guard down yet!

 

[noodles123]

I agree with you 500% --wishful thinking, boredom and frustration with quarantine does not make this very deadly virus go away-- it's like, now that the govt says things are re-opening, it never even happened...and the 60,000+ dead in the USA alone didn't even exist. People are stopping with masks and distancing and increasingly downplaying, because they WANT to make things the way they were..and that is not the reality at the moment. I know this is breaking the economy etc, but all of the optimists out there had better consider the impact of a 2nd wave (after everyone stops trying --given the fact that this started from 1 person in the US, and led to over 1,000,000....now we have over a million, plus people not caring....what is that going to look like in a few months???? January to March could be the new June to August at the rate we are going...

 

[Laurasea]

USA has over 114,000! Thousand dead and rising
And over 2 million cases so you are lagging noodles

But yep with the rest you said

In the UK, for example, numbers of Covid-19 deaths were underreported initially as people who died at home or in nursing homes were not included in the count. The British government only included people who tested positive for the coronavirus and subsequently died in hospital.

Meanwhile in Russia, on the other hand, does not automatically list Covid-19 as the cause of death if the deceased tested positive for the coronavirus!!

“ I myself see that I have diagnosed more patients who died from the coronavirus in these past two weeks than I saw in official statistics,” a pathologist in St. Petersburg who asked to remain anonymous told Moscow Times.