COVID-19 Virus

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4.2 million deaths....I personally don't think it will be that bad, but it's a valid projection they are throwing out there and using math. ( I smiled at useing math!)

I don't want to spread fear, but much of the ( math) from our epidemiologist and universities are putting it higher than that. But maybe taking the rest of the year to reach that point.

So many say this is happening, there is no stopping it. But what everyone is trying for is a nice round hill curve in cases, instead of a huge spike like empire State building of cases. This gives hospital, government, goods and services a way to deal with it.

That's why containme is so important . We should be very thankful China slowed it down with their massive containment. All other country's including USA, plan to follow if needed will shut down towns and cities. We should all participate and do our part in social distancing if this happens like that here. For not to do so, then everything's come crashing down..

The good news is 80 % don't hardly know they've been sick. The bad news is 20% needing intensive care will over run hospitals. The good news 2% mortality rate is a lot better than many diseases. So if this is a global pandemic( it is already , they are just choosing to call it multiple epidemics) we really got lucky ( I hope). MERS had over 30% fatality, Ebola 90%

I think if the truth was spoken about openingly. We can face it, and make preparation, and get past the impact this will have.

Very unlikely a vaccine will happen during this viruses trip around the world. No big pharmaceutical companies hsv stepped up, it looses them money to rush and make vaccines. And when made are sold near cost,no one would stand for a company to profit from a disaster.

Iran has repeatedly said they have the coronavirus in all their cities. ( Implied that testing just hadn't caught up, or they don't plan to do widespread testing) Canada, Lebanon, and today also Kuwait, Oman, and Iraq, have all confirmed cases of travelers from Iran.


Italy's blow up of cases isn't just rapid spread it been building up undetected until they had hospital staff get sick, and some deaths by pneumonia, then they started looking for it.

18 new USA cases, from Diamond cruise ship evacuated, expect more to follow.
 
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China just announced
989 deaths today!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know if that is a real day total or if they are playing catch up to past unrecorded death!!!
Holy cow!
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It just got changed to 150 deaths, no explanation given if why the large number and why the change......
Soooo I don't know??? I saw it in their report. . Then it changed

Where is your source from? As of now I feel there is no need to panic. I think virus pandemics won't extend when the weather becomes warm or so I believe.
Worldometer posts, they also have the( written in Chinese reports) Reddit and Twitter were talking about it, many people saw the report, and then it was changed down to 150 deaths.....but their critical cases dropped by the same death number of 989...it took them an hour to put those ( death) numbers back I to their still critical case numbers.... Since this would have to a two fold error it makes me suspicious...


The world will never know the truth this virus cost them in human sufferings..
 
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Who is giving us the soft approach ,to get us thinking about what will be announced.

WHO: Now is the time to prepare. We're in a phase of preparedness for a potential pandemic.

Wuhan still under lockdown, and feel no one cares. They struggle to get food, many are forced to do group bulk buys by neighborhood, and say 1/3 will arrive rotten.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1864569/no-one-cares-locked-in-wuhan-residents-adapt-to-find-food

Today Feb 25, 4 countries report cases from travelers Italy , indicating a far wider outbreak in the country.

That many or more countries have reported new cases in people traveling from Iran, indicating a wider outbreak is also happing in that country.

A study conducted last year on pandemics, indicated that 77% of the words nations would not be able to track and report real time outbreaks.

It's beyond reality , that Mexico, South America , and Africa do t have current outbreaks. I'm sure they have infected people, since unidentified, those infections are continuing to spread.....
 
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Ok, you guys are probably getting tired if seeing this thread update.

From the CDC, this is what they want us to think about doing.

Schools should consider dividing students into smaller groups or close and use "internet-based teleschooling," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call.

"For adults, businesses can replace in-person meetings with video or telephone conferences and increase teleworking options," Messonnier said.

She said local communities and cities may need to "modify, postpone or cancel mass gatherings." Hospitals may need to triage patients differently, add more telehealth services and delay elective surgery, she said.

"Now is the time for businesses, hospitals, communities, schools and everyday people to begin preparing," she said.
 
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And, just as the National (USA) News Media goes 24/7 on reporting on the International status of the Virus... With yesterday, Tuesday, being the first day that morning, noon and evening News Reports became in place on all News stations, even local News. It will take a couple of days to a week for the Masses to become crazed by the reporting.

FYI: It was also commented on during last nights Democrat Debate... So, reporting on the Virus is now Mainstream...

Not yet time to jump into the Bomb Shelter, but to understand that changes will start to come quickly. The Great News is that the US shutdown air travel to and from China early and will likely be extending this travel closure to other countries in the very near future.

If you are planning on traveling internationally in the very near future, you should make yourself aware of the outbreaks internationally and adjust your travels as you may find yourself not being able to leave specific countries or return from them to the USA or other counties as they follow the guidelines of North America.

Think Globally and Act Locally...
 
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On top of this, researchers in the Wuhan bio facility have been caught selling animals in the wet market, where some say this started! These were animals that had been used for testing and were to be cremated!
 
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It is time to prepare. CDC has never in my lifetime or my parents life time said to prepare for sever disruption of everyday life.

Amazon doesn't have n95 masks available anymore. My dad tried to order some last night.

Fir most in the United States this will be a slow build up if cases. But if you are in a location that had someone test positive, the response will be swift to shut down your community.

If you are a student living in a dorm, our you live in community housing, or apartment building, you need to have a plan in place.

For everycase reported there is really a tenfold amount if infection going on. It's not possible to track in real time. Italy has gone up to around 300 cases, but at least 20 random people traveling from Italy have tested positive in other countries. Implying a wide spread outbreak of much much more infected people.

On the world news last night the Doctor expert flat out said China and Iran are lieing about numbers if cases and deaths.

Why aren't epidemiologist being interview. Why isn't there more in-depth news coverage? UK is shutting down universities, we have over 7000 people under quarantine in the US! Some states are coming forward and said they will be more upfront and honest about what is going on in their states. All of this is big news. But they mostly talk about economics, sndvwirrybsbout the Dow. World news spent more time talking about Disney CEO stepping down, then they did about the Coronavirus! Why sent they saying that if the 20% that need ventilator, that even if they recover they have holes in their lungs and will have life long complications?! Their are not enough ventilators in the USA for even a minor number that might need them.... We do evidently have a stockpile of emergency stuff, but the government's have yet to mobilize that, it's a government stockpile. They already have to shuffle around our 56 confirmed cases to bio level 4 containment hospital. Those are not available in every town and city in America, there are very few in the nation.
I still urge you all to have extra pet supplies on hand.
 
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45 countries now reporting cases, many of these countries added yesterday or today. Those casses traced to travelers from Italy. Italy must be in the midst of a massive outbreak.

Multiple deaths being reported daily outside of China. Over fifty total outside of China deaths since the start. But majority have been reported in the last 3 days. But rember you can take two weeks to have illness, then takes another average if 8 days to become critical ( if you do) from overwhelming immune response ( your body over reacts to this new invader) so there is a big built in lag time of reported fatalities.

Of current world active cases 20% are critical. Of world reported as recovered or death, 9% died. These numbers will change hopefully in a positive way , as more cases resolve and outcome is known.

But the disease process is long averaging 3 weeks or longer. Making it very difficult to grasp true impacts. Statistics are weighted to more severe and thus diagnosis cases so far..
 
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On top of this, researchers in the Wuhan bio facility have been caught selling animals in the wet market, where some say this started! These were animals that had been used for testing and were to be cremated!

If my memory holds, the first cases (something like 4 to 6 individuals) occurred prior to and carried the virus to the wet market. The reality is that the wet market is where the virus rapidly expanded in numbers and wide spread exposure in the Wuhan region. This was what the First China Doctor who report the virus stated as he found it separate from the wet market and then at the wet market later.

The staff from the Wuhan bio facility may have (likely) added to the rapid expansion of the virus...
 
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Does anyone aware of the CDC made an announcement yesterday for us in the US? So.... it means to prepare foods, water, medications, etc.....

I have well prepared for Kise and I...

PLEASE BE SAFE!


 
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Does anyone aware of the CDC made an announcement yesterday for us in the US? So.... it means to prepare foods, water, medications, etc.....

I have well prepared for Kise and I...

PLEASE BE SAFE!


NOTE: Today at 6:00 pm (1800 hrs) Eastern Standard Time (USA), 26, February, Wednesday, President Trump will be addressing the USA regarding this Virus...
 
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Does anyone aware of the CDC made an announcement yesterday for us in the US? So.... it means to prepare foods, water, medications, etc.....

I have well prepared for Kise and I...

PLEASE BE SAFE!


NOTE: Today at 6:00 pm (1800 hrs) Eastern Standard Time (USA), 26, February, Wednesday, President Trump will be addressing the USA regarding this Virus...

I'm pretty sure the message will be
don't worry,
because you all are effecting the stock market !!!!
 
Re: Wuhan virus


Does anyone aware of the CDC made an announcement yesterday for us in the US? So.... it means to prepare foods, water, medications, etc.....

I have well prepared for Kise and I...

PLEASE BE SAFE!


NOTE: Today at 6:00 pm (1800 hrs) Eastern Standard Time (USA), 26, February, Wednesday, President Trump will be addressing the USA regarding this Virus...

I'm pretty sure the message will be
don't worry,
because you all are effecting the stock market !!!!

Hmmm, I going out on a limb here, but more likely a presentation of where the USA is today regarding efforts regarding this Virus and what additional measurements the US will be talking to limit its spread in the US and beyond.

You may recall that I predicted that the Stock Market would be affected as part of my early Post to this Thread. Based on that Post, one could say that I placed the Market into a position of Falling... In regards to the Market, the early halt to flights from and into China affected the Stock Market. If the singular goal is the Market, why provide any statement at all...

None of that is important! What is important is; Will the US lead or simply shut itself off from the rest of the World. My guess is that the US will lead...
 
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I think the US has been leading.....and the stock market is pretty important for our economy, whether you invest or not.
 
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I wanted to watch! Not on my antenia tv... :(
But I just read as he gives speech we have our first community spread, a case positive in California just now, source of exposure unknown at this point.....
 
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I watched the whole thing start to finish. It has to be the best press conference he's done and even the press was mostly well behaved...a little sparing back and forth but he always brought it back to working together....just really good from both the political aspect as well as how prepared we are. Seems like he's getting plenty of money to help the States deal with it.

One has to realize that the Chinese already have compromised respiratory systems with over 4500 people dying daily from air pollution. Whatever the numbers really are there it should be much better here. He said he may have to restrict travel from other countries like he did with China. The president was trying to act calm and leave it up to the medical professionals to be more concerned...as it should be I think.

It was comical in a way to hear him being astonished at the actual number of flu deaths in the US, 25k to 69k per year with 360k over the last decade.
 
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It's nice when sources can be cited. Often for me, members here are my cite for their experience with pet birds. This is a bit different.

To forego my above comment, I read that there is no risk to our pets...
 
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There is a risk to our pets, as this jumps from animals to humans, and back again... They are even worried about insects.
 

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