COVID-19 Virus

[Cardinal]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBlwyrBii0"]St Louis Doctor has had enough - YouTube[/ame]

Another perspective! Don't know how credible! Part of it makes sense!

 

[Laurasea]

Well I don't like hearing this, hopefully it's a test problem, and not that are bodies don't know what to do with this new virus..

WHO officials say it's unclear whether recovered coronavirus patients are immune to second infection.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who...-patients-are-immune-to-second-infection.html

Also, Florida up over a thousand new cases again. My parents dropped off eggs, as these are hard to come by in my area! They and I wore masks, they left at the door. Then I had a delivery from Publix, she left at the door, and had a mask on, I gave big tip! I order frozen veggies, as my parents couldn't find at Walmart, we are still having a lot if trouble with stores having stuff, they are still pretty empty....so I drive the veggies over to parents, after careful transfer to zip lock bags...man the roads are packed! Every gas station, fast food place, restaurant take out packed, our two grocery stores and Walmart packed!! I'm so worried for north Florida! People aren't staying home.... I've only left my house a couple if times to pick up stuff from my parents or to drop off stuff to them. Everything always packed roads busy.

 

[Flboy]

Central Florida is fairly quiet!

 

[Laurasea]

Good to know Flboy! It could be we service a lot of smaller towns, and some diving out from the big city as we have less csses then they do.

How are your stores?

Finally an answer on the toilet paper issue! We aren't useing the bathrooms at school and work and restaurant because they are closed. We all useing our own bathrooms lol, so we all need est. 40% more TP than we did before.

Also turns out there is nice puffy toilet paper for our pampered butts at home. And the cheap crap they have in public places. These are both made at different factories by different companies. Scaling up pampered TP isn't economical for short term. Those companies won't make money , for the effort to scale up.

Frankly many if us would be happy with cheap crappy office TP, at this point. So those companies need to sell to groceries store! Come on crappy toliet paper makers your not selling to offices, put it in the grocery stores, we will buy it!
, so what the heck is going on with toilet paper?

The explanation for those empty shelves isn’t panic buying. Sure, some people are buying too much. But people really do need more toilet paper at home because they aren’t using the bathrooms in office buildings, airports and restaurants anymore, as Will Oremus of OneZero explained in a post on Medium. The paper giant Georgia Pacific estimated that people staying at home full time would need to buy 40 percent more TP.

 

[Flboy]

Good to know Flboy! It could be we service a lot of smaller towns, and some diving out from the big city as we have less csses then they do.

How are your stores?......

The secret, I have found for shopping, is to go nearer closing time! The warehouse clubs and Publix are extremely quiet! I get in and out with little exposure! And a plus is many have a mid day restock, so I find what I went for! The special senior hours are a madhouse! Like trying to get into a sold out show with special backstage passes!

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

Roads are pretty quiet here in south central CT..grocery stores too. Seems like the local WallyMart is very busy,lots of cars in the parking lot and only letting so many people in at a time. Grocery stores have more stuff on their shelves except TP of course One good thing...gas is at 1.89 a gallon and CT is/was one of the highest in the country.



Jim

 

[Laurasea]

So this pandemic has caused a lot if changes in the natural world. Wild animals coming into Urban areas, as humans have ghosted. Less pollution, the earth quit vibrating ( uh never knew bit was before,!). And now this, army of rats raging war on eachother for scarce resources!!
BTW in the 70's I lived among farm feilds and a cross from a grain elevator and silos for train. We had a population explosion of rodents, there were so many they closed the highway down as they swarmed it in a living sea! They also over run our house!!! It was crazy , every draw you opened filled with rats and mice, they under and in furniture, in the walls. We had to out our bed posts in buckets of water, you would still wake up with them in bed with you! My dad was trying to posion them, we had traps and cats.

Anyway here is the article on rat wars!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ca-s-rats-are-getting-desperate-amid-n1180611

 

[Scott]

What a grim outlook for rats, Laura! Fascinating article, and I'm going to make certain they don't get inside my house. Have had difficulties in the past and ridding them was a horrible battle. Tenacious critters!

 

[Jen5200]

That article on the rats was startling - I hadn’t thought about their food supply running low. I haven’t seen any extra rat activity in my barn, but now I’m going to keep a closer eye. I have snap traps out around the barn currently, I refuse to poison them because I don’t want to poison further up the food chain.

I’m happy to know that my current work assignment should be ending at the end of this month and I may be back a more normal schedule - get to go back to my regular job. My birds will be happy .

 

[Laurasea]

Transient immunity, most likely...as we face a world that will be forever changed. Changed in some positive ways to. Certainly we will waste less, and value freinds and family and communities more I hope...

But there have been questions on immunity, and when viral shedding stops. Earlier in this thread I showed studies that the influenza virus ( yes different virus faimly) children shed the longest up to a month after symptoms stop. This is well documented, and I sourced much earlier in this thread. While most shed the influenza virus for two weeks after last symptoms stop. With many reported coronavirus patient's testing positive a month later. Unknown if it's longer shedding, or reinfected....

There have also been questions of if people are making antibodies that protect them from reinfection.. obviously this is a novel virus and we have lots to learn. But often with many types of infections you only have a transient protection against reinfection.

This article address the thought that until we have a vaccine, we might need to think that a couple if years of off and on social distancing might be the norm

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/14...-to-keep-coronavirus-in-check-new-study-says/

Also the Navajo Nation has now been added as a subset under the USA on Worldometer Coronavirus. Sadly they have near 1000 cases and a little over 100 deaths

 

[Scott]

Also the Navajo Nation has now been added as a subset under the USA on Worldometer Coronavirus. Sadly they have near 1000 cases and a little over 100 deaths

The plight of the Navajo Nation is heartbreaking. My MD friend I've referenced from FB posts is retiring from his practice to become a travelling doc for Indian Health Services. They perish at severely high rates from a number of maladies compared with the overall U.S. population. Coronavirus is ravaging their population, some tribal subsets may disappear.

 

[bill_e]

Central Florida is fairly quiet!

Life is pretty normal here in NH as it is in a lot of the country. Because we we not over populated, stores look pretty normal customer wise. Many businesses are open. I expect our return to normal to happen pretty quickly once the stay-at-home is lifted.

 

[Laurasea]

Watching the OZ show. New data increases the RO number from 2.2 to 4.7 or 5.7 hopefully article will come out later today. But the end result is the coronavirus is very infectious, one if the most infectious viruses they've seen.

At 2.2 the virus grew to 42 new infection in five days. At the new higher RO it grows to over 1000 new infection in five days.

 

[ParrotGenie]

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[Jasmine333]

Watching the OZ show. New data increases the RO number from 2.2 to 4.7 or 5.7 hopefully article will come out later today. But the end result is the coronavirus is very infectious, one if the most infectious viruses they've seen.

At 2.2 the virus grew to 42 new infection in five days. At the new higher RO it grows to over 1000 new infection in five days.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-sheds-early-in-disease.html

This article says the virus may be most infectious when symptoms are mildest, which may explain why there was so much increase in five days.

 

[Laurasea]

China has revised it's deaths, and found additional deaths attributes to coronavirus. Actually this will likely hapoen in many places around the world. As we too will review deaths that happened at home and we're untested, and those that died earlier in the year that fit the criteria.

Wuhan (China), the epicenter of the pandemic, today reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily report [source] [source] [source]

 

[Laurasea]

Well Florida opened the beaches near me with limits...
But as most of our cases are report after 7 pm..turns out today is our record break day of most cases ever in one day!!!

Don't jump the gun Florida!
Our news also reports nearly a 90% backlog of tests in Florida....

And yes people lined up in big group waiting for beach to open.....they did try and distance after that.....
Scientists have said this is one of the most infectious viruses they've seen. Walkie or running six feet been someone plunty of Respiratory vapour in the air.

Sure we been cooped up, and it was a glorious day, but us it worth it? What if you get it and oas it on to the nurse who cares for you and she or he dies.. it just feels like a waste if the sacrifice we have all been making..

On the good news, I saw an article that we are making plans on how to handle a hurricane season × Pandemic
With having seperate shelters for known positive, and hopefully well shelter.. ( been a nightmare if mine since this started, in January)
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/...n-florida-what-could-go-wrong?template=ampart

 

[SailBoat]

The Theorem that this Virus is likely Seasonal Effected has been a topic that has been actively shot at by a wide cross-section of Science and National News Media personalities. In watching all of this from a few steppes removed, it seems that there is a growing number of individuals that seem to want this Virus to succeed.

Whether this Virus is or is not effected by the warming weather of Summer, it will be effected by the increased hours of Sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere! In addition, the Sun's rays are more direct during this period of time. That means that the cleansing effect of the Ultra Violet spectrum kills a greater amount of surface Virus, which are exposed to the Sun's Light.

The reality is that Sunlight exposed surfaces outside and to a lesser degree inside will have a much reduced level of Virus cells as the Ultra Violet spectrum activity kills them.

FYI #1: Normal blue spectrum lighting will not have the same effect!
FYI #2: Yes, a true Ultra Violet producing rod can be used inside, but great care needs to be used to limit exposure to living creatures. Okay, with the exception of reptiles.

 

[Flboy]

The Theorem that this Virus is likely Seasonal Effected has been a topic that has been actively shot at by a wide cross-section of Science and National News Media personalities. In watching all of this from a few steppes removed, it seems that there is a growing number of individuals that seem to want this Virus to succeed.

Whether this Virus is or is not effected by the warming weather of Summer, it will be effected by the increased hours of Sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere! In addition, the Sun's rays are more direct during this period of time. That means that the cleansing effect of the Ultra Violet spectrum kills a greater amount of surface Virus, which are exposed to the Sun's Light.

The reality is that Sunlight exposed surfaces outside and to a lesser degree inside will have a much reduced level of Virus cells as the Ultra Violet spectrum activity kills them.

FYI #1: Normal blue spectrum lighting will not have the same effect!
FYI #2: Yes, a true Ultra Violet producing rod can be used inside, but great care needs to be used to limit exposure to living creatures. Okay, with the exception of reptiles.

Me thinks the term is, ‘social re-engineering’!

 

[Laurasea]

The sun doesn't zap the virus like a bug zapper. It can take days for the effectst of sun to start breaking down the virus.

It's been in the ,80s or 90 plus since last month, full on sunny days, yet our cases keep climbing. I doubt summer will have any effect. Maybe next year seasonal more do to schools being out than the sun having an effect.

FDA just said food package hasn't been linked to virus transmission. Really FDA, when have you been in grocery stores swabing and testing for the virus? Most cases in America they have no idea how the caught the virus, heck we can't rely do my h contact tracing at this point.

Why do you think hand washing is so importan! Because of virus transfer from surfaces. So what no cardboard on stores us different than other cardboard!?

Meanwhile University and hospital have done study for finding contamination of surfaces days later.

Supposedly we don't fully understand transmission of this virus. But FDA can make a blanket statement?

Didn't CDC day clean all surfaces frequently in high traffic areas.