Do my birds face death?

[SilverSage]

Did you follow any of the potentially life saving advice I gave you? Did you do ANYTHING to try to prevent organ damage or did you just wash the cage?


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[Owlet]

I have to agree with the others. Please re-home the birds. No one is saying this out of spite or disdain for you, we are just trying to look out for the well being of the birds. It is clear your not in a good position to be looking after a bird let alone more than one. I'm a big believer in letting young people take the responsibility of looking after a critter as it builds maturity and responsibility, I myself have looked after a variety of creatures since I was 13. I am now 18. In large part I provided all care for the animals. Food, cages, enrichment, etc. My parents would only help me with vet bills and even then I have to pay them back for it once I am financially stable enough to do so. That was the deal my parents and I made and I'm going to live up to it. I've never gone a day without my animals getting what they needed. Even if I had very little money I'd find a way to get them what they needed. Always, no exception. I believe as of now you lack the drive to do whatever it takes to keep your birds safe and healthy. I don't believe buying a replacement bird before one has even died means you truly care about your birds. I could not imagine ever replacing one of my companion animals. They mean the world to me and if they did die I'd be heart broken and upset but I would eventually move on and look into getting a new companion. This isn't replacing the one that had died, this is just moving on even though the one that had passed will always be loved and cherished for who they were and they can never be replaced. Please do yourself and your birds a favor and re-home them. It's really the best solution right now.

 

[ParrotLover2001]

Did you follow any of the potentially life saving advice I gave you? Did you do ANYTHING to try to prevent organ damage or did you just wash the cage?


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I did follow it, in fact I just got home with the stuff I need for it. Although I couldn't get Metamucil, I couldn't find it. But I've got the cranberry juice (unsweetened) and I'm keeping the birds nice and warm.

And (surprisingly) since I'm going down to the southern part of the state, I set up an appointment next week with an avian certified vet. That is the only avian vet in my state, and I had to set up an appointment when I can get there. My grandmother said she'll meet me half way with the bill.




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[Owlet]

I don't think you really understand this situation. Birds metabolize their food a lot faster than majority of creatures, especially humans. If a parrot ingests something that's toxic to them they can and likely will die within 24 hours if not given treatment. I don't know how heavy metals react with an avian body but from what the others are saying it could be very dangerous. In cases like this is not safe to wait a week to get a bird into the vet. It might just be too late by then.

 

[ParrotLover2001]

I don't think you really understand this situation. Birds metabolize their food a lot faster than majority of creatures, especially humans. If a parrot ingests something that's toxic to them they can and likely will die within 24 hours if not given treatment. I don't know how heavy metals react with an avian body but from what the others are saying it could be very dangerous. In cases like this is not safe to wait a week to get a bird into the vet. It might just be too late by then.

I do understand, but that is the only possible day I can get to a vet.
There are no vets closer to me that I trust and will see birds. And (this isn't really any better) what I mean by next week, I mean Tuesday the 14th. (For me that' next week). 3 days, then they will see an avian vet.

And I say this to what others say about me re homing my birds.
A bunch of stressed birds don't need more stress. And re homing is very stressful. And Elvis made me his "mate" so he will be very stressed if I re home him.
Isn't there enough birds who need homes already? 4 more is a lot.

And yes I agree to being immature sometimes. But you don't know what I've been going through lately.





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[Owlet]

No we don't know what you've been going through but if it's affecting the care of your birds then you should either A) fix the problem or B) re-home your birds. If your birds are stressed in their current living situation then they shouldn't be in it. I completely understand having something that makes it hard to be at your utmost. I have clinical depression and possibly a range of other undiagnosed mood disorders. It began affecting my care of my animals so I sought help. I was just put on 3 new medications to see if it'd help. I'm doing absolutely everything I can to make myself stable so I can make my animals happy. A week is too long to leave a bird in a dangerous situation. I understand it's a long distance and it's relatively inconvenient but for the sake of your birds find a way.

 

[ParrotLover2001]

No we don't know what you've been going through but if it's affecting the care of your birds then you should either A) fix the problem or B) re-home your birds. If your birds are stressed in their current living situation then they shouldn't be in it. I completely understand having something that makes it hard to be at your utmost. I have clinical depression and possibly a range of other undiagnosed mood disorders. It began affecting my care of my animals so I sought help. I was just put on 3 new medications to see if it'd help. I'm doing absolutely everything I can to make myself stable so I can make my animals happy. A week is too long to leave a bird in a dangerous situation. I understand it's a long distance and it's relatively inconvenient but for the sake of your birds find a way.

I said 3 days. They'll see a vet in 3 days. I live in the northern part of the state, it is very hard to get to the southern part of the state. I'm sure my birds will live. If any signs of heavy metal poisoning come up, I'll try to get them in quicker.

And the problem is personal, it is also life. I'll get over it eventually (despite being almost a year), I have emotional problems so it will take some time.



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[Owlet]

I'm sorry but I'm growing increasingly frustrated about your attitude regarding your birds. I've already stated that something toxic to them can kill within 24 hours. 72 hours is way too long. Birds are very good at hiding signs of sickness. If signs do start showing up that they have metal poisoning it's likely too late.

 

[ParrotLover2001]

I'm sorry that I'm frustrating you, but that's the earliest I can get them in, I'll try for tomorrow, but I might not be able to get in tomorrow. But I must try right?


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[GaleriaGila]

I can't think of anything to say, but I care, and I'm just mortified, but I'll try to keep following this.

 

[Flboy]

Metamucil is a very common item. Every drugstore, every Walmart, and any big supermarket would have it. CVS, Walgreens, and Walmart all have a generic version of this that is less than half the price!

 

[ParrotLover2001]

Metamucil is a very common item. Every drugstore, every Walmart, and any big supermarket would have it. CVS, Walgreens, and Walmart all have a generic version of this that is less than half the price!

I should have gone to Walmart...I'm going to Walmart.
Thanks for the info.


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[SilverSage]

You just don't get it, do you? You keep making our point.

We aren't accusing you of being a heartless 25 year old who doesn't care about their birds, we are saying you are a typical 15 year old.

You can't drive
You don't have control of your finances
You don't have control of who lives in your house.
Your parents choose not to fill in these gaps for you.

These four things make it so you CANNOT meet the birds.

Your birds should have been at the vet last night but COULDNT GO because no one with a car was willing to take them.

You have a history of birds needing to go to the vet who can't go because no one will pay for them.

You have people in your house actively trying to kill your birds.

None of these are you not caring, they are you being a kid. There is nothing wrong with being a kid. But when a kid takes on adult responsibilities and the adults in the family don't support that and the kid can't manage them on their own, things turn ugly. That's why your birds are in danger. We aren't saying you are evil, we are saying you are a KID.

But at this point pretending the birds are anything resembling safe is downright silly. 3 days is too late. They should have gone to the vet last night. They should never have been in a situation where people who hated them enough to try to poison them had access in the first place. You keep defending yourself by saying you are doing the best you possibly can but that's the point; your best has proved not good enough. Your intentions don't matter if they don't result in the birds actually being safe.


No one here hates you, but you have a lot of us in a panic over the situation these poor babies are facing.


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[ParrotLover2001]

You just don't get it, do you? You keep making our point.

We aren't accusing you of being a heartless 25 year old who doesn't care about their birds, we are saying you are a typical 15 year old.

You can't drive
You don't have control of your finances
You don't have control of who lives in your house.
Your parents choose not to fill in these gaps for you.

These four things make it so you CANNOT meet the birds.

Your birds should have been at the vet last night but COULDNT GO because no one with a car was willing to take them.

You have a history of birds needing to go to the vet who can't go because no one will pay for them.

You have people in your house actively trying to kill your birds.

None of these are you not caring, they are you being a kid. There is nothing wrong with being a kid. But when a kid takes on adult responsibilities and the adults in the family don't support that and the kid can't manage them on their own, things turn ugly. That's why your birds are in danger. We aren't saying you are evil, we are saying you are a KID.

But at this point pretending the birds are anything resembling safe is downright silly. 3 days is too late. They should have gone to the vet last night. They should never have been in a situation where people who hated them enough to try to poison them had access in the first place. You keep defending yourself by saying you are doing the best you possibly can but that's the point; your best has proved not good enough. Your intentions don't matter if they don't result in the birds actually being safe.


No one here hates you, but you have a lot of us in a panic over the situation these poor babies are facing.


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Well...I've lost all words. I have nothing else to say. You guys have beat me, maybe I don't deserve these birds. Maybe I don't deserve them, maybe they don't deserve me. Maybe because of these near death things I've lost all hope for being a good owner! It's because of these accidents that I haven't been up to my full potential with these birds. You've beat me, I don't have it in me anymore.

Maybe I should find someone willing to take all 4 of them.


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[SilverSage]

We aren't trying to beat you, we don't hate you, and we don't think you "don't deserve" them; we think you don't have enough control of your own life to give them what they need. If you were in a different family, maybe the birds would be safe and everything would be fine, but you aren't. Your age and position in life is keeping you from giving them the safety and care they deserve no matter what your intentions are.

At this point the loving thing to do, the thing that puts their needs above your own wants, is to find a safe place for them to live. That is the loving, mature, responsible choice.


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[ParrotLover2001]

We aren't trying to beat you, we don't hate you, and we don't think you "don't deserve" them; we think you don't have enough control of your own life to give them what they need. If you were in a different family, maybe the birds would be safe and everything would be fine, but you aren't. Your age and position in life is keeping you from giving them the safety and care they deserve no matter what your intentions are.

At this point the loving thing to do, the thing that puts their needs above your own wants, is to find a safe place for them to live. That is the loving, mature, responsible choice.


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Age doesn't matter.
And truth be told, they use to have much better life. Elvis came every where with me for a few months after I got him, he loved it. But then all that just stopped one day in April, and I've been looking to get that life back. But that life is just a distant memory. I'm a year older now and can't do what I use to do. I want to get that back, Elvis would love to be with me all day every day.

And I know that you aren't trying to beat me, I was just saying that all this has broke me, I'm tired of arguing (and I'm tired in general).

Please, we should stop arguing.


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[SilverSage]

I'm sorry, but I hardly think any of us are going to stop advocating for the safety of your poor birds. I do the same for everyone I find in this situation, including human children trapped in dangerous situations.

You might just see a few accidents, but I see a continuation of a deadly pattern that I've seen dozens of times in humans. Do you know how many foster children have lived in my home because things got so very bad for them that the state had to forcibly remove them from their homes, all because the mother won't acknowledge the danger her children are in at home? Usually because of a man living in the home? The mother's love their kids and won't part with them, but the lack the power to protect them from the man in the home. As a result the kids get beaten, bones broken, starved, and even worse things that I won't state explicitly on a family friendly forum like this one. All that suffering could be prevented, lives saved, if the mother would agree to either leave the man or send the children somewhere safe. In your case you can't leave, so your only choice to protect your birds is to send them somewhere safe.


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[ParrotLover2001]

I said and I quote,
"Maybe I should find someone willing to take all 4 of them."

So if you won't stop arguing then I will.
A simple question about if my birds faced death has turned into an argument about re homing my babies.

Maybe I should ask about closing this thread.
It's getting out of hand.


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[SilverSage]

You said you are considering rehoming; I am encouraging you to do so. That is not argument, it is supporting you in what must be a very painful choice. I have had to make the choice to rehome a beloved dog for her own safety, and I know how hard it is.

You asked if your birds face death. The answer is quite clearly yes they do, and far too often.

I am not arguing, I am insisting. Insisting that you do the right thing. That is no less than we all do for each other here on this forum.


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[Owlet]

I'm going to have to disagree, age DOES matter. A 15 year old is still growing an developing especially mentally. The brain, especially the decision making portion of the brain, isn't fully developed until 25. And then at 15 you don't have your license and in a lot of cases don't have a permit either. You definitely don't have your own car. Doubtfully have a job unless your family runs their own business because of child labor laws so you have no form of stable income and you say your parents pay for everything but that's proving to not be true because youre meeting your grandma half way on vet bills. Your parents won't pay vet bills period. You essentially have no control over your own life due to the laws of being a minor in the US. And I get that, I just turned 18 so I still know what it's like. Luckily for me my parents gave me the space to express myself and be responsible for my own life to a degree. You can't control your life at this point, but you can control the birds. As Silversage said you can't leave so maybe the birds should. It's unfair to keep them in a situation where they're just not having a good life. It's only fair to them and then maybe when you're older and have more control, then look into birds again.