Help us choose our future parrot!

African greys flock only with greys in the wild, unlike say pionus who flock with amazons, minimacaws, small conures etc. They are rarely very sociable with other species, a good deal of them are agressive and try to get other birds away from their terrotiry. A good deal of them ignores other species. Very few socialise with other species. If not other options they may, but it is not very likely. Learn about your species in the wild and how about animals learn and how you can teach them proper behaviour, that will help. But nothing can get the wild out of them. I personally would never keep a grey alone, id even be more inclined to keep an amazon alone. Greys even when in small cages for 40+ years often very quickly adapt to having a same species friend, and it has little influence on their relationship with humans, whereas with amazons you would more likely than not deal with agression from the male of a pair. Greys are not very close with their partners, keeping a small distance instead of sticking wing by wing.
It really helps to think about them in their natural setting. A territorial species of a single flock species will likely have issues when placed in a household with multiple species in close proximity. I have 6 mini macaws but they have enough space. My species live in small family flocks, basically mate+offspring, it is stressful for them to have another pair close. Larger macaws actually flock more, as do severas, than the primolius minis for example.
Ahh I see! This makes a lot of sense about what they would do in the wild. I think having 2 african grey's out the gate will be massively challenging for us so probably not if it's going to be a bit of a problem. I'm in no rush to get a parrot as of right now, still lots more research to do. We browse different bird species to see what we also can handle sound-wise, so that's also something that really needs to be heard up-close, even a lovebird. I've "looked at" golden conures, but they're not exactly easy to come by here. If you have more insights please let me know!
 
Ahh I see! This makes a lot of sense about what they would do in the wild. I think having 2 african grey's out the gate will be massively challenging for us so probably not if it's going to be a bit of a problem. I'm in no rush to get a parrot as of right now, still lots more research to do. We browse different bird species to see what we also can handle sound-wise, so that's also something that really needs to be heard up-close, even a lovebird. I've "looked at" golden conures, but they're not exactly easy to come by here. If you have more insights please let me know!
I actually have a golden too:) have only had him for 4 months but I can share ofc. I was going tk suggest one but the price tag and rarity stopped me. He was a rehome, looking for a second one, probably has to be a baby, but thankfully he socialises with my other birds.
They are social with a capital S. Curious, noisy, I personally adore their noise, but it is much louder than a lovebird. I agree lovebirds can be annoyingly loud, really depends on the person. My mini macs are louder than my golden, and their call is less melodious.
What is it you would most like to know/do with your bird? Like he could calmly watch from a distance, talk/make noise as commentary, or more in your face messing up everyrhinf you do for example? I can tell you the latter can wear you down sometimes, like even typing on a laptop is a chore. I love it, but sometimes I do wish they were more laid back:)
I dont think its bad to start out with one, and its great you are doing so much research. I started out with my first largest bird as single, he was a rehome, and then after 6 months added another. It is a bir of a conundrum, how to start. They do so much better with multiple though, and in the case of goldens that cant be overstated. Amzons if pair bonded to human are easier to keep alone. I still prefer having multiple parrots but of all species I see, amazons in my opinion do better than other species as single birds.
 
African greys flock only with greys in the wild, unlike say pionus who flock with amazons, minimacaws, small conures etc. They are rarely very sociable with other species, a good deal of them are agressive and try to get other birds away from their terrotiry. A good deal of them ignores other species. Very few socialise with other species. If not other options they may, but it is not very likely. Learn about your species in the wild and how about animals learn and how you can teach them proper behaviour, that will help. But nothing can get the wild out of them. I personally would never keep a grey alone, id even be more inclined to keep an amazon alone. Greys even when in small cages for 40+ years often very quickly adapt to having a same species friend, and it has little influence on their relationship with humans, whereas with amazons you would more likely than not deal with agression from the male of a pair. Greys are not very close with their partners, keeping a small distance instead of sticking wing by wing.
It really helps to think about them in their natural setting. A territorial species of a single flock species will likely have issues when placed in a household with multiple species in close proximity. I have 6 mini macaws but they have enough space. My species live in small family flocks, basically mate+offspring, it is stressful for them to have another pair close. Larger macaws actually flock more, as do severas, than the primolius minis for example.
Very interesting.
A lot of this behavior tracks with our Bella.
She needs to be close to my wife but not in a “climbing all over you “ way. Just being in sight is usually good enough.
And her interaction with other species.
Bella doesn’t like my amazon parrots and I try not to let them out at the same time. She avoids them.
But the Cockatiels are a different story.
I think she kind of likes them. She use to spend a lot of time with them. Imitates them perfectly.
Opened their cage several times.
But she started breaking the bars of some of the cages so now only has strict supervision visits.
 
In a way that makes sense. Nameliss has been alone since just under 4 months. She's hostile seeing birds on TV. She fluffs up and growls. Sounds are alright. She becomes let's say annoyed with me if I look at birds in a pet store. She understands and obeys the word no. But she mumbles. I get the impression that she's calling me birdie insults. It happens often. She demands her fair share of time. I can be gone all day. No problem so long as old time B/W tv especially 3 stooges is on. Nameliss allows me to pet strange dogs. Seems like she knows that they won't be coming home. My service dog of 9 years has a tail that is still fair game. I've read to many places that because of their intelligence CAG have strong opinions. They express them strongly. When Nameliss wants to go to sleep no matter what the time is I am ordered to go to bed. Even if het light is on. If she wants to stay awake she plays, eats, wandering around cage. I turn on lights frequently to check on her. Then motor beak engages.
 
Hope you're not getting information over load. Pros and cons of every species.
 
I’m going to be a Debbie downer I would not recommend any parrot as a pet. They are wild. They’re wild instincts show through. You have to work with them daily and on a regular basis for sometimes hours on end to get them acclimated to you if you don’t, you may be dealing with a parrot that bites you even if you’re willing to work with them on a daily basis and spend a substantial amount of time with them, they may not like you and still bite you. There are a lot of consequences to bringing wild creatures into captivity and trying to make them a pet there are people that understand this and they do very well with it. They don’t have expectations when it comes to having a parrot. If you were to get a parrot, I would highly recommend volunteering at a shelter and maybe getting to know different species, sub species and getting to know a parrot before bringing it home. The parrot sitting in shelters are parrots and babies hit hormonal stages and they’re not so cute and cuddly anymore, and they could become pretty snippy. I’m not saying a parrot’s bad for everyone. I just don’t highly suggest them.



On top of what I just said above now you have different types of expenses as well. Most regular vets will decline to see parrots as they’re not well trained in them so now you’re gonna be paying for avian vets or vets that are essentially specialist and with that you’re paying for specialist pricing there are parrots that are larger that can destroy their cages that cost thousands of dollars there are parrots that will destroy your home easily. Not only will you be dealing with some of the behavioral issues with having a wild creature in captivity, but you’re gonna be dealing with the expenses of one as well.



Lastly, some parrots have very specific dietary needs that are very perplexing. I did not look at that when I got my eclectus parrot. I would describe him as a medically, sensitive parrot. He’s more expensive than my other parents. He’s more prone to get sick than my other parrot. All of his special needs cost me a lot of money. I recently paid for my eclectus parrot to have a ct scan because he’s had sinus issues since I adopted him five years ago that was $3000.
 
Oddly that's similar to what I tell people I meet on the bus and at pet stores. I don't want to see rehomed and miserable parrots. I hear I want a parrot because it talks. I told one lady they scream and can annoy the neighbors. They poop on everything. Get a nice quiet dog. She said for real. I showed her my pants leg. Yup. The ones I'm talking to are YouTube contaminants. I honestly wish that there were a way to emphasize AI generated even if it's the title.
 
Very interesting.
A lot of this behavior tracks with our Bella.
She needs to be close to my wife but not in a “climbing all over you “ way. Just being in sight is usually good enough.
And her interaction with other species.
Bella doesn’t like my amazon parrots and I try not to let them out at the same time. She avoids them.
But the Cockatiels are a different story.
I think she kind of likes them. She use to spend a lot of time with them. Imitates them perfectly.
Opened their cage several times.
But she started breaking the bars of some of the cages so now only has strict supervision visits.
That is indeed very interesting! I just love greys, Bella sounds awesome. She was a rescue right? Sometimes growing up with another species helps in developping a preference for that species, like an african grey handraised among macaws may love macaws later. Or it could just be her preference for reasons they won't share with us of course xD I have allergies myself, not a great idea to have them in the house sadly. Such smart and mesmerising birds.
 
Totally agree too about parrots being hard, no matter how much training, you can never train the wild out of them and that is just completely different than a domesticated companion. I have had parrots from a young age, my life would be so much easier if I didnt have them. I love them, but the contrast with other people's life is huge sometimes. I had people complain to me their baby was expensive(hehe I mean the upkeep, weird way of phrasing that sorry, and all the equipment they needed) and I easily spent more on the birds. Now I have multiple, but unexpected vet visits and quality housing is the same for 1 or 2 birds.
The moments I really sometimes think, hm interesting life choices you made, to myself, are when I am trying to do a hobby, but just cant untill the flock goes to sleep. Often impossible to draw or play a video game with them. This is mostly because of my in your face birds.

Another thing, a bird that flies well, is a force to be recockened with. They can reach everything, doorposts get chewed in a split second, tops of cabinets, sfuff stolen and flown off with. I think all of that is hard to see when you haven't lived it yet. And when you do live it, it's hard to turn back if it does not suit you well. And even if it does, people with cockatoos, who are generally a bit more intense, and handle it well, often rehome their birds after 10-20 years. Because rhey live LONG, it is all fun now..but will it still be in 30 years? 40? Rehoming is not the worst, especially if you find a really good home, but those are hard to find. It's something to think about, because they will probably demand your time every single day. Having them partially entertain each other is great, but that does not remove the cleaning feeding etc.
 
I actually have a golden too:) have only had him for 4 months but I can share ofc. I was going tk suggest one but the price tag and rarity stopped me. He was a rehome, looking for a second one, probably has to be a baby, but thankfully he socialises with my other birds.
They are social with a capital S. Curious, noisy, I personally adore their noise, but it is much louder than a lovebird. I agree lovebirds can be annoyingly loud, really depends on the person. My mini macs are louder than my golden, and their call is less melodious.
What is it you would most like to know/do with your bird? Like he could calmly watch from a distance, talk/make noise as commentary, or more in your face messing up everyrhinf you do for example? I can tell you the latter can wear you down sometimes, like even typing on a laptop is a chore. I love it, but sometimes I do wish they were more laid back:)
I dont think its bad to start out with one, and its great you are doing so much research. I started out with my first largest bird as single, he was a rehome, and then after 6 months added another. It is a bir of a conundrum, how to start. They do so much better with multiple though, and in the case of goldens that cant be overstated. Amzons if pair bonded to human are easier to keep alone. I still prefer having multiple parrots but of all species I see, amazons in my opinion do better than other species as single birds.
I think like the idea of "noise commentary", someone that responds and chatters (doesn't have to be a mimic) making noises and doesn't require being cuddled all the time. My boyfriend would probably like something that cuddles, he's been looking at pigeons, but then getting a parrot/conure with that is going to be tricky. I'd like to clicker train them, to recall to me, trust building and make silly noises to. I like their responsive energy, and how parrots can become attuned to you as a person, (even if they aren't 100% to me, we never know) I think after reading more about amazons that they wouldn't be great in our household either. I hear the double yellow headed & blue fronted are for expert handlers, and these are the most common amazon species over here. We also looked at Senegals/Meyer's because of their more quiet/timid nature but I do like a chatterbox haha..
 
Wow there were suddenly a lot of new replies! I read through them all, thank you for all the information! So I might have to make master edits to my first post with new information if new people wish to chime in, but don't want to read through 3-4 pages. We are no longer considering a bird room, but a cat room, since the cat sleeps upstairs anyways. The bird(s?) will be with us, we may get 2 if they need a flock, most likely we won't have something the size of an Eclectus or amazon. Nothing is set in stone yet, more info to come later as we discuss things further!
 
Birds are flocks yes. Get one. You become their flock. They can be coaxed to eat veggies by watching you.
 
I think like the idea of "noise commentary", someone that responds and chatters (doesn't have to be a mimic) making noises and doesn't require being cuddled all the time. My boyfriend would probably like something that cuddles, he's been looking at pigeons, but then getting a parrot/conure with that is going to be tricky. I'd like to clicker train them, to recall to me, trust building and make silly noises to. I like their responsive energy, and how parrots can become attuned to you as a person, (even if they aren't 100% to me, we never know) I think after reading more about amazons that they wouldn't be great in our household either. I hear the double yellow headed & blue fronted are for expert handlers, and these are the most common amazon species over here. We also looked at Senegals/Meyer's because of their more quiet/timid nature but I do like a chatterbox haha..
Okay that's great to know. I must say, that js not exactly a golden BUT I have only met mine, I think once he gets a same species friend it will be easier. As goldens aren't so common it is hard to try and make a species average. I have spoken to more people with them, and they generally are very good natured and social, in the wild they are very sociable to whereas amazon pairs sometimes have been documented to fight till the death(over nesting area's). They love to be involved in whatever you do, mine is busy with the other birds part of the day, but regarding entertainment he is very high maintanence, I have to be busy with him for hours. Regarding that he is almost more like a small cockatoo, very different but in terms of stimulation/attention needs. He is on me while I am typing this, ripping out hairs of my arm, nibbling my leg, nipping my ear, because I dont have a hand free to hand him a toy haha.

Orange wings and autumnalis amazons are very common here(netherlands), perhaps those are an option? They may mimick noises, not be as in your face, and aggreasion less so than yellow headeds. In amazons there is usually, not always, a fairly big difference in agression between males and females, males tend to more possesive of their mate, wether human or bird. Females less so, they are still amazons and ofc you will probablt get bit, and if they are bonded to one of you, hugging the other may cause problems for example.
If you could find an older bird from a good home, it may be possible to learn what they are like, and you have a pretty decent chance they will remain similar. If you get an older bird and drastically improve their life, their behaviour could change drastically, for better or worsexD
Senegals can be mean biters, really biting through. Of course all birds can, but I have seen a fair amount of jealous/pair bonded senegals. They can be really active and I think a good mix of independant and wanting to interact, but if they overbond to you, you may end up with a clingy bird. They often love to chew a lot, and keep themselves busy like that. They are in my experience not as extravagant as amazons but some I met love to whistle, and when raised well(early introducing to multiple people, being very respectful if they dont want to, focus on choice based training) may help creating a social bird. I have met some pretty social ones who even asked head scritches from me as a stranger to them.
To me it sounds like you would vibe with a grey, they can be very active and heavy chewers so watch out for that. Especially when adults, they can become pretty heavy cavity seekers. Do you know that picture of a grey who chewed through a kitchen cabinet, hahaha it is like that with some of then. When they have flown since baby, they often are much more confident than if they have been clipped instead of properly fledging. Even letting them fledge well and then clipping will help. A more confident bird is one less likely to pluck. Ahh I just love greys, fostered 2 once to see if my allergies would react and they needed a temporary place, but learned it can be bad for my south american birds too, and my allergies didnt love it. I love the sounds they make.
The intune thing can backfire, I have had one bird that was very emphatic and when I was sad would be extra sweet etc. My current flock of south american birds, ehhh, quite the opposite. If I have a bad day, they have a bad dayxD Greys often are very empathatic, but if you are nervous, they become nervous, if you are sad they get sad which depending kn the bird of a good or bad thing, some quickly start to pluck in scenarios like that. When I am sad around my macaws they get very agitated and on edge.

Caiques may be something to look in to too. I am not sure you would enjoy having one, but despite their crazy activity, especially if you have two they often entertain themselves around the house for a big portion of the day. They are often easy to harness train, and not long distance flyers in the wild which comes in handy in a home setting sometimes. I have met few caiques that fly for fun like some other species, they are more functional fliers. You could run into agression though, and pretty extreme at that. I have not experienced that myself, my own and birds I have met can be handled with positove reinforcement training. I suspects some of those heavy stories are maybe from caiques being forced to do more things, rather rhan asked, they don't take to that well. But they can and do change on a dime sometimes, but the extreme horror stories I am not sure. I have helped some caiques with issues but so far it has been a question of how to handle them. They are generally prettt smart, like whistling too, but very active, and they love to beak your hands and grab skin, usually they dont make you bleedxD it is definitelt a different type of bird, but if you do well with them they can be great. Noisy and possible aggression/strong opinions is their main backside
 
Okay that's great to know. I must say, that js not exactly a golden BUT I have only met mine, I think once he gets a same species friend it will be easier. As goldens aren't so common it is hard to try and make a species average. I have spoken to more people with them, and they generally are very good natured and social, in the wild they are very sociable to whereas amazon pairs sometimes have been documented to fight till the death(over nesting area's). They love to be involved in whatever you do, mine is busy with the other birds part of the day, but regarding entertainment he is very high maintanence, I have to be busy with him for hours. Regarding that he is almost more like a small cockatoo, very different but in terms of stimulation/attention needs. He is on me while I am typing this, ripping out hairs of my arm, nibbling my leg, nipping my ear, because I dont have a hand free to hand him a toy haha.

Orange wings and autumnalis amazons are very common here(netherlands), perhaps those are an option? They may mimick noises, not be as in your face, and aggreasion less so than yellow headeds. In amazons there is usually, not always, a fairly big difference in agression between males and females, males tend to more possesive of their mate, wether human or bird. Females less so, they are still amazons and ofc you will probablt get bit, and if they are bonded to one of you, hugging the other may cause problems for example.
If you could find an older bird from a good home, it may be possible to learn what they are like, and you have a pretty decent chance they will remain similar. If you get an older bird and drastically improve their life, their behaviour could change drastically, for better or worsexD
Senegals can be mean biters, really biting through. Of course all birds can, but I have seen a fair amount of jealous/pair bonded senegals. They can be really active and I think a good mix of independant and wanting to interact, but if they overbond to you, you may end up with a clingy bird. They often love to chew a lot, and keep themselves busy like that. They are in my experience not as extravagant as amazons but some I met love to whistle, and when raised well(early introducing to multiple people, being very respectful if they dont want to, focus on choice based training) may help creating a social bird. I have met some pretty social ones who even asked head scritches from me as a stranger to them.
To me it sounds like you would vibe with a grey, they can be very active and heavy chewers so watch out for that. Especially when adults, they can become pretty heavy cavity seekers. Do you know that picture of a grey who chewed through a kitchen cabinet, hahaha it is like that with some of then. When they have flown since baby, they often are much more confident than if they have been clipped instead of properly fledging. Even letting them fledge well and then clipping will help. A more confident bird is one less likely to pluck. Ahh I just love greys, fostered 2 once to see if my allergies would react and they needed a temporary place, but learned it can be bad for my south american birds too, and my allergies didnt love it. I love the sounds they make.
The intune thing can backfire, I have had one bird that was very emphatic and when I was sad would be extra sweet etc. My current flock of south american birds, ehhh, quite the opposite. If I have a bad day, they have a bad dayxD Greys often are very empathatic, but if you are nervous, they become nervous, if you are sad they get sad which depending kn the bird of a good or bad thing, some quickly start to pluck in scenarios like that. When I am sad around my macaws they get very agitated and on edge.

Caiques may be something to look in to too. I am not sure you would enjoy having one, but despite their crazy activity, especially if you have two they often entertain themselves around the house for a big portion of the day. They are often easy to harness train, and not long distance flyers in the wild which comes in handy in a home setting sometimes. I have met few caiques that fly for fun like some other species, they are more functional fliers. You could run into agression though, and pretty extreme at that. I have not experienced that myself, my own and birds I have met can be handled with positove reinforcement training. I suspects some of those heavy stories are maybe from caiques being forced to do more things, rather rhan asked, they don't take to that well. But they can and do change on a dime sometimes, but the extreme horror stories I am not sure. I have helped some caiques with issues but so far it has been a question of how to handle them. They are generally prettt smart, like whistling too, but very active, and they love to beak your hands and grab skin, usually they dont make you bleedxD it is definitelt a different type of bird, but if you do well with them they can be great. Noisy and possible aggression/strong opinions is their main backside
Oh this is a huge help! I've watched a lot of Zeb's "Blue planet Pets" videos, and the ones with the golden conures crack me up so badly, there's one individual in particular that goes absolutely ham like a cockatoo and screams in his ear with just enough spacing for it to be comedically timed. But again, having -that- energy in your ear all the time if you do get a super energetic one.. I think my boyfriend would struggle with his after dinner naps quite a bit hahaha. They're cute and interesting, but we would prob need 2 of them and seeing how rare they are, I'm not gonna actively look for them.

As for greys, almost everyone in this thread has almost recommended them to me now which I find odd, but interesting. Though me and my boyfriend would probably aim for "one bird each" and get siblings or something that go well together, but again who knows, maybe we'll be enchanted by a singular grey that need a home. To be honest we haven't really looked at caiques at all, so that's also something to research. I already go from bird A to Z on the daily so introducing more to the melting pot in order to see what fits wouldn't hurt.

Our household is very quiet except when we game together or with friends online, so there may be some excited noises in between a quiet day, which we will need to see how the bird reacts to and just try not to spook it (or teach it to scream on accident haha)
 
Oh this is a huge help! I've watched a lot of Zeb's "Blue planet Pets" videos, and the ones with the golden conures crack me up so badly, there's one individual in particular that goes absolutely ham like a cockatoo and screams in his ear with just enough spacing for it to be comedically timed. But again, having -that- energy in your ear all the time if you do get a super energetic one.. I think my boyfriend would struggle with his after dinner naps quite a bit hahaha. They're cute and interesting, but we would prob need 2 of them and seeing how rare they are, I'm not gonna actively look for them.

As for greys, almost everyone in this thread has almost recommended them to me now which I find odd, but interesting. Though me and my boyfriend would probably aim for "one bird each" and get siblings or something that go well together, but again who knows, maybe we'll be enchanted by a singular grey that need a home. To be honest we haven't really looked at caiques at all, so that's also something to research. I already go from bird A to Z on the daily so introducing more to the melting pot in order to see what fits wouldn't hurt.

Our household is very quiet except when we game together or with friends online, so there may be some excited noises in between a quiet day, which we will need to see how the bird reacts to and just try not to spook it (or teach it to scream on accident haha)
nick buitendijk is a dutch trader who I believe also exports, not sure of the fine things of it. He is the breeder of the one I have, I may buy a baby from him as a friend.
yes Romeo rightxD they are really wonderful, from the people I have spoken with the super in your face does not really go away with multiple, but becomes a bit less if you also have a less human oriented one. But two that love people will just bother you together most likely. My mini macs are the same, and they are fairly closely related to goldens, their closest relative is the hahns macaw, nobilis. They are super expensive though, my rehome was like 800 more than a baby would have been, but well, still glad I have himxD
After dinner I can tell you I have my hands full with him a lot, and he has 4 other birds to interact with freely, and two that dont really like him. If he spends an hour playing in front of the window I am pretty lucky. I know(well talk to, havent met them) with two that are very similar in that still. My caiques on the other hand will just entertain themselves, and come to me for 30-60 minutes of hands on play.

Greys are pretty special as in they are fairly quiet, you may get super loud beeps but no screaming(unless they mimic a human hahaha), which for a parrot is exceptional. They may bite for a multitude of reasons, but they are generally far less agressive, and they are not the type to sit with you every second and are often very trainable to be able to be transported by multiple people, but perhaps only their chosen person can scratch them. They are really great birds even when you dont consider their personality, which can vary of course. And of course there are jealous greys that protect their person, but it is much rarer then with an amazon or macaw. If my partner even points at me, one of my minimacs immediantly fies to me, 'just in case', and I have worked very hard to stop making him clingy, he spends at most 60 minutes a day on me, rest of the day entertains himself. But still he will be agressive to my partner instinctively in situations like that. And he actually has a great relationship with him too, and sometimes he gets agressive to me and posseive of him, just a pretty possesive bird he is haha. All of my minimacs are like that, but usally with stuff/each other.

I think south american birds will probably love extra noise, greys varies a bit on the individual/their experiences.
THe quackers you mentioned in the beginning might be cool too, but very different again. I dont have a ton of experience with them, but in the wild they are flock nesters like goldens, what I know they tend to be pretty social and fairly playful, but noisy. I personally wouldn't go eclectus because of what another poster said, even when you try super hard with their diet, they may still have issues, which is sad to go through.
I think if you could meet some greys and perhaps some autumnalis, i think yellow cheeked?, and orange wings that may help. Caiques are definitely a bit loud, more screamy then the others I think. But they are very special as in they love to play on your lap and roll about, if you like that sort of play it may be worth seeing if you can meet one or two. Mine are my easiest birds, body language super clear, if they are pissed it is very clear and you can react accordingly, but I have had people over that dont like them AT ALL and prefer the more calm mannerism of a grey, it is super hard to decide what to pick, I so get your dilemma:) I visited a lot of zoos and sanctuaries to get a bit of an idea of species when I was starting to consider a larger bird. That may help a bit, even if they are aviary birds. I always find the greys are busy with something, using their toys in a new way, scratching the floor etc. Amazons usually just chill, cuddle with a friend, bite a bit at their branches and sometimes act super overexcited when you approach them even when they are not particualarly tame.
 
Oh yea I have never seen a video of a Grey being loud at all unless it mimics a microwave for 1 second when I think about it, I read that's "typical" poi parrot behaviour which is why I also looked at Meyer's! If it helps to know our daily routine, I get up and tend to all the animals, then I eat and work 1.5-2 hours before my art break. I can then spend hours doing whatever I wish until dinner, then after I may work an hour or two more then free range time until 11:30 PM, so there's a LOT of dead space inbetween which I spend gaming and doodling, which I'll gladly cut to spend more time with the animals. The dogs are usually done with their day around dinnertime (2 seniors) And the cat joins my boyfriend for after dinner naps. We're very routine oriented and do things by the clock haha.
I looked up the bird show, I am unsure if I can afford a plane ticket right now to go there since it's in 30 days already. I might opt to join the breeder at his warehouse later next year instead, since he had mostly parrots and the bird show had all sorts of things I am not planning on getting (and things I never knew existed)

I am sure he has grey's, seen some videos and he usually deals with multiple cockatoos, eclectus, budgies and many more. I'll try look up more of his videos to get an idea of what to expect. At least a LOT of noise!

Also thank you again, I love giant paragraphs of information like this, exactly what I need haha!
 
Welcome to the Parrot world.
I am the owner of 6 macaws, and I would''''t recommend them to someone still in the workforce, or away from home for lengthy time.
My best advice is you need to SCREEN the advice you read, hear and otherwise. Where you live, and the climate are the most important things to consider - of course other points ARE important like Vet ( get organised) whatever bird you decide to own, and care for, must forfil certain requirements; like family, like space you need to have, or find.
Its of little value to consider bringing a bird specie home, then find out someone in the family has a problem with it, OR you suddenly have health problems and don'''t have someone to take over the care. Strangely enough most bird specie adapt to the household setup, including other types of pets; the only difference is the time it takes them to settle in. and vice versa/
Try not to be too interested in rehoming someone elses problem . . . you only take over someone elses problem. NOT for a First time parrot owner.
Spend the time, and find the extra money, plus the inconveniences involved , , , you will find in the long run the value of making such a choice,
Whatever specie of Parrot you like - go looking, far and wide, the parrot just bred and weaned, will decide for you your choice. . . some call it instant bonding, but in fact its only the start of a wonderful choice. . .
I live in Australia, the other end of the world, and its no different to you at your end- its only that we do the same things for our birds at different times according to climate, and weather patterns. The amount of love we have for our parrots, is what makes our parrots what they are.. .. ..
Good Luck
and there are a lot of parrot owners on this Forum, who have the experience you need.
Don't lose the connection!
 
So this is about as loud as I have heard an African grey get.
This is Einstein the talking Texas parrot.
I watch all his videos.
 
That's as loud as Nameliss gets naturally. A sound of profound irritation. She's a mimic so things that make noise smoke detectors are next.
 
One of the greys I fostered did some high beeps, piercing but to me bot annoying. His loudest sound was a yelled greeting, I had not been told he could talk(they probably didnt know either), when he suddenly yelled in a loud male voice when I got back home, I about fell over myself before I realised it was him haha.
 
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